Question about hunting rifles.....

Lots if good guns out there...

Just remember... It's the bullet that does the work! Match the right bullet for the game you are after.


It's not the caliber or who makes the gun.. I have many expensive rifles, cause at one time I could afford them..

Give me a Swarovski scope and any rifle.. Matched with a premium bonded bullet..

I primarily shoot Bitteroot bullets, Swift A Frames.. You want the best bullet for the times when things go wrong. Even a Ballistic tip will kill a deer when things go right.
 
Take a look at Hill Country Rifles out of New Braunfels TX. They have accurized 3 of my rifles and offer a number of packaged rifles. On my last elk hunt I carried a Rem model 7 in 300 RSAUM with a 1.5 x6 nikon scope that they accurized. I shot a 6x7 at 375 yrds and have killed countless animals with that gun. My buddy who carried my rifles big brother a Rem 700 in 300 RUM was tired of hitting every tree on the mountain with his barrel and 3x12x56 scope. My rilfe is at least 3 lbs lighter than his and it was clearly evident by the end of the day. You only need one shot so now I hunt with my TC Encore in 308. small and light enough to be stable
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Lots of really good info. Thinking of going the custom route but will probably still pick something up while the custom is being built.

Garth
 
Garth...... Sako...!!!! ;)

Oh... and I am about to e-mail you about a blade job ... : D

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I've got a Sako 85 Hunter in .260 Remington and a Sako AV in 7mag. I gotta say the .260 is just about perfect. The fit, finish, and accuracy of Sako makes it difficult to go back to anything else.
 
Bro, leaving the 700 clan? Heretic!

I had what was the cheapest 700 series that was made at the time a 708 in .308. I did the simplest tuning and bedded the stock in a 70% finished stock. I was killing whistle pigs at 300 yds all day. Not long distance, but hit the heads everytime I did my part. My current .30 cal is a 700 bdl, free floated in a magnum length Rem synthetic stock. Hand loads in 220 gr SP shoot MOA.

Bout only other two I'd consider would be Sako or Browning for stock rifles. Of course a custom 700 would be my 1st choice :~)
 
Bro, leaving the 700 clan? Heretic!

I had what was the cheapest 700 series that was made at the time a 708 in .308. I did the simplest tuning and bedded the stock in a 70% finished stock. I was killing whistle pigs at 300 yds all day. Not long distance, but hit the heads everytime I did my part. My current .30 cal is a 700 bdl, free floated in a magnum length Rem synthetic stock. Hand loads in 220 gr SP shoot MOA.

Bout only other two I'd consider would be Sako or Browning for stock rifles. Of course a custom 700 would be my 1st choice :~)

I will always be a 700 fan. Just have so many that I want to see what else is out there. For the record I have never had a 700 that didn't shoot sub moa at 100 yards right out of the box.

Garth
 
Since it hasn't been mentioned, if you doing 200 yards on in, a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 wouldn't be a bad choice. Get some brass and experiment with handloads.
 
Grayzer86-

"The remington 700s have an easy to operate safety, however it is also a safety prone to failure. There have even been TV documentaries about it. We thought it was a over publicized so we took out my buddies 700 30.06 and sure enough, more than once we got it to fire even with the safety on. we went through all the guns we had and found that his savage 22 semi auto could be fired by a sharp palm strike to the butt, (safety off) and that my winchester model 94 lever gun also fired once from slamming the lever closed fast and hard. Gues thats why the safety rules are so important. Needless to say the old 22 got trashed, the 700 went for repairs, and the model 94 has never left the safe again. "



Grayzer86 - Good point! The SAFETY on the gun IS THE SHOOTER. No mechanical device is ever 100% fool proof, IMHO. If you don't want something destroyed, don't point a gun at it, ever. I taught my kids to shoot and the one thing that was stressed was that the gun was always loaded and was to be treated as such.

About the Remington 700 safey issue, I have two 700's, a sniper style .308 with a very light custom trigger, and a hunting 7mm Rem Mag. Both have been checked for safety issues and I can't duplicate the problem shown on the TV program. What I think is a problem is that the guns may not have been cleaned, lubricated, or stored properly causing the trigger mechanism to be fouled to the point that the sear didn't properly seat when the gun was cocked. The jar of releasing the safety caused the sear to slip thus releasing the firing pin. This problem of improper maintenance can happen on many firearms.

Also I think that some folks pulled the trigger out, broke the seal that Remington has on the trigger mechanism and attempted to adjust the trigger pull weight themselves. With millions of Remington 700's sold it seems strange to me that so few have experienced this problem.

The easiest way to check for a safety or trigger problem is to simply cock the gun (empty), put on the safety, and drop the gun butt first on the floor from a height of two feet. It the safety doesn't hold then it is off to the gunsmith. With the safety off if the trigger doesn't hold then off to the gunsmith.

I don't think you need to drop thousands of dollars to get a decent, reasonably accurate rifle. There is a lot of hype about sub-moa but unless you are a real target-shooter, rifle-tweaker, bench-rest, 20X scope guy you will probably not get this accuracy. We had a contest at our gun club for a ham. You had to put five shots in a five inch bullseye at 100 yards from a standing position. You used your gun with your sights/scope. Hardly anyone could do it. One of the few that could was shooting an M1 Garand with peep sights.

A gun I bought recently for my previously gun-shy, had never been shooting daughter-in-law (who had only just recently only shot my son's AR15) that I really like is the Remington Model 770 bolt action rifle scope combo in .243 Winchester. I paid about $300 for the rifle and scope combo. It is accurate and easy for her to shoot. She has the "youth model" due to her smaller size. Recoil is about non-existent and she is very comfortable and confident shooting it.

Here is the Remington video about it. You can also find out about it on YouTube.

http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/centerfire/model-770/model-770.aspx

Watch this guy clang steel targets at 400 yards with the resaonably priced Remington 770 rifle-scope combo in .30-06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoI85kBsf6U

I think it is a great bang for the buck, perfect for the beginner.
 
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Garth are you only into bolt guns?? I have an FN FNAR .308/7.62X51 I hunt with and it's 1/2 MOA as well, with room for quick follow up shots if you have multiple management tags, got 3 within 3 seconds last year. My favorite aside from a Kel Tec RFB in .308. Lots of fun, accurate and a semi auto action, it's got that tactical you're into. Bolt action accuracy, in a semi auto platform. I have so many bolt guns from the past I don't buy new ones, I like to use the older bolt rem 700's etc. I have a Howa 1500 that shoots sub moa in .30-06. if you want to stay with bolt action, I would recommend spending money on a better trigger (jewel), optics (NightForce or Vortex PST) mcmillan stock, and match quality hunting ammo (buffalo bore). It will be a custom rifle you built using a receiver you already had. You can even get a new barrel if you wanted to change caliber or weren't happy with the old barrel. I took my dads older bolt guns that were in great shape, updated these things and they are better than new. Otherwise get a Semi Auto Platform, they are lots of fun!!!
 
Why mess with what you know.. I've got a few Rem 700's just gave a BDL classic to my son in 30-06 to hunt with.. If you want get an upgraded rem 700 go to Snipercentral.com they made one up for me with the adjustable HS precision stock in green/black, cerkoted all the metal in OD threaded and put on a muzzle break, Snowy Mountain detachable mag that uses Accuracy International mags, put in a timney trigger, a tactical oversized bolt knob, and a Bushnell 6500 Elite Tactical Mil dot scope.. and heck they even zeroed it at 100 and then preset the target knobs.. everything I could want.. and not bad priced...
Ive never owned a Browning, but I"m searching the stainless stalker after what was said... Sako is incredible.. the TRG 42 is a shooter... Steyr SSGs and PIIs are great rifles as well. Although many of the rifles mentioned here are very nice hunting rifles... Any rifle I buy will be either 7.62x39, 5.56, or 7.62x51. I have purchased one 300 Win mag> the sako TRG 42
All of my weapons use those calibers... it is for logistical purposes.. So, as long as it's those calibers, its in the running, for deer the 308 is my weapon of choice..
 
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PS Don't forget to consider semi auto's in the list that could be considered "multifunctional" LMT MWS 308 is an excellent weapon as is the Armalite AR10 for AR platforms... the Springfield M1A or DSarms FAL are good choices too. just picked up a FN SCAR 17, that would make an excellent deer rifle.. HK91s if you could find them... Heck I've got a VEPR that would make an incredible deer rifle.. keep your options open :)
 
I guess it doesn't have to be a bolt action. I have just always shot better for accuracy with a bolt action.

Garth
 
I have been looking at custom builds and holy crap there are tons of options. I may end up with more than one before this adventure is over.

Garth
 
Semi auto hands down LMT MWS. If you are okay with a single shot the TC Encore is AWESOME!!! The MWS was chosen by the Brits over fnh H&K and other top tier manufacturing companies.
 
I've had a Cooper, and Kimber, but only kept my Sako, 700's, and a Whinchester Featherweight.

I have a 700 in 7mm-08 that I put a HS Precision stock on years ago, and it will out shoot any deer rifle I've ever shoot. Factory barrel, only changed the stock and had a trigger job. The right ammo, and breaking the gun in proper are key.
 
Guys have reported shooting 1/2MOA and better with the MWS. I looked for over a year for the best semi auto .308 for cqc to extended range applications. The MWS is the best for the money I believe.
 
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