Question on trade conduct

Broos

Broos

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Is it not accepted that a trade is not complete until both parties are satisfied? I am dealing with a member who is refusing to reverse a trade now, and he is stating that since an inspection period was not specifically discussed by us that he is not obligated to undo the trade.

He also says he gave one of my knives I traded to him away - before he even heard from me that I received his knife.

If we cannot work this out I will be posting more detail later...

Thanks for your opinions.
Bruce
 
Hard to say.....
IF you traded for a knife that is EXACTLY as described, say a NIB factory knife, then I'd say, you're out of luck, sorry you didn't like the knife, but you agreed to do it. But I don't know if that is true or not.
Can you give more details?
 
Broos, When I do a trade,I wait until I hear back from the other party,that the package was received,and we both are satisfied.In the past,I've done some trades,for lower end knives and items,and did not specify,the inspection period.If it is a higher dollar amount,of trade values,then,I definately speak up about an inspection period.If you did not go over this,with the other guy,he may not know proper trade procedures (honestly),and very well may not have one of the traded knives any longer.
If this is the case,this one may have to go down,as a learning experience,for both of you.I hope you both work it out,cause it sure does suck,when it goes wrong,That's my opinion on this question,Good luck on it.
 
Sorry to hear this happened. I've always gone by the rule that the trade is complete when both parties are happy and it seems to work well for me. Why would anyone want to stick anyone else with a trade they were unhappy with? Hope things work out for you.
 
If the knife wasn't as described (poor condition, not new, etc), and the person is saying stuff like "no inspection period", no tradebacks, etc, I'd get the impression that it was his intent to screw you from the start.

What issues do you have with what you received in the trade?
 
Everyone who has posted so far is "Gold", so we would assume all of you have actual experience in the subject at hand, Unique, to say the least.:rolleyes:

Ok, I have done a butt load of trades and sales. I say until everyone is happy, is a good rule.....BUT.....happiness is a subjective term.

If I don't hear from you, I assume you are happy. I give my e-mail, address and phone number out when we do a deal. Contacting me is easy. I am not going to pick up the phone for you and call.

Unless you got called out of the country to save the world, and call me/e-mail 3 months later, too bad(this has never happened, but it could)

Lastly, I am not a catalog house. If you say you want the knife, you better know that you WANT it. If it does not meet your expectations, is a custom knife that you could not handle at a store or a knife show, no problem, deal undone, but if we are talking about a Spyderco Delica, and you JUST decided that you don't like this style of knife, we are going to have a problem(again, never happened, but could.)

It will have taken about 45+ minutes of my time that I am not going to get back to post a knife, take pics, box it up, ship it, and e-mail comms. I only deal with adults, so I figure this is something that the average person can relate to. Be nice to have the particulars in this case, Broos.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
It is the unwritten rule around here that a deal is not a deal unless both parties are satisfied. It is totally unacceptable to give away one of the knives until you have given the other person enough time to have received the knife and contacted you, or you have contacted him to make sure he got the knife and is happy with it.

I would like to see both sides of this issue posted so that I can better understand what happened here.
 
If I completed a trade with someone and all the knives shipped to each parties were as said, I'd wonder why they'd want to trade back. If they just weren't happy, I'd tell them they should be more sure in the future but I'd be willing to trade back. I try to keep people on good terms here, and no knife is really more valuable to me than another persons happiness. I haven't had this issue come up though.
 
if the other party isnt happy (for whatever reason) we can swap back, not a problem to me.

never has happened though.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
It is the unwritten rule around here that a deal is not a deal unless both parties are satisfied. It is totally unacceptable to give away one of the knives until you have given the other person enough time to have received the knife and contacted you, or you have contacted him to make sure he got the knife and is happy with it.

I would like to see both sides of this issue posted so that I can better understand what happened here.
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I agree 100%,I made a trade with another member knife for knife,and a friend of mine wants it but the other member hasn't recieved his knife due a customs delay,I refuse to give the knife to my friend until the knife i made reaches the person and he's happy with it,it's just completly unethical to go about it any other way.
 
There were a couple issues with the knife I traded for that I did not or could not see from the photos I got prior to the deal (grind marks on the spine and around the handle, and a 1/4" or more of the blade has been sharpened away). Of course, in retrospect I wish I had looked harder at the photos, maybe I could have scaled the blade width and seen how much of the blade has been sharpened away. Regardless, to me this is an issue on conduct, not an issue about the knives. In my past sales or trades I would reverse the deal at the request of the other person regardless of the issue. The worst I would do ask for them to pay return shipping. I would do this here(under a little protest, but I would to be done with it at this point), but that ain't an option since he says he gave away one of the knives I traded him (an HR - he then traded an HR a couple weeks later! - comment added 8/28) - and I emailed him the same day I received the knife, approximately an hour after the mailman left it at my mailbox.

As I told this person, I would not act the way he is here. I do not use, sharpen, or give away a knife I got in trade until I know the other person got my knife and is happy with the trade. I would reverse any deal I've done (sale or trade) if the other person requested it in the time frame I am dealing with here (same day the knife was received). I'm about ready to chalk it up as a "learning experience", but it still ticks me off.

As I mentioned, we are still trying to work this out. This is just a dispute on trade conduct and the right of either party to reverse a trade, IMO - I have not called him a scammer or crook, though I have a hard time swallowing someone giving away a knife received in trade 1 hour after opening the package (without even emailing me to check I've received the knife or am satisfied). I just wanted an opinion from fellow members on trade conduct.

Thanks
 
Dear fellow BLADE FORUMS comrades, in the less than 3 months that i have been a member of this forum i have learned countless things from many of you both on threads posted and in personal email exchanges and it has been a great pleasure.
that is why this incident with dear Broos has bothered me so much. he has not named me only because this thread is a way of intimidating me into a trade back which was not a condition of our trade.
i have no ill will toward Broos as he is a senior to me in the forums and has a good reputation but the fact is he is in the wrong and i hope he can just suck up his dissappointment long enough to realize this. i ask that everyone reading this post focus on the facts and not be biased towards one or the other persons involved, i also ask that anyone reading this thread who had done business with me step foward an say whether i have lied, cheated ,mislead or misinformed them in anyway. if i have done bad business whith anyone here and they post that inccident here i will terminate my BF account gladly.

here goes: i posted on 8/8/06 a thread that read USED BUSSE SH-E WITH SHEATH.

to anyone who requested i emailed pics, pics that were not distant or misleading or even altered in any way here they are.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/nellynel1974/DSC00532.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/nellynel1974/DSC00533.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/nellynel1974/DSC00528.jpg

these photos are clear and non-deceptive and also cleary show the knife has been used as i stated in the thread. i attained this knife along with a strider sng and a swamprat BR in a trade for a laptop.
i was motivated to trade by some responses to 2 threads that i posted TOPS vs BUSSE and STRIDER vs BUSSE.
when i saw how much the busses were being bragged about i had to have one.
when i got the package i thought every knife looked as they should since i had never had any of these before though i tottally fell for the Battlerat instead and decided to trade the Busse and the Strider which i did almost immediately.

in the past dear sirs, i have traded knives with people in the forum who were not dishonest but when i recieved the knife i was dissapointed. i did not wail and moan about it because i did not agree before hand to have an inspection period, so DOOM ON ME.
I traded my strider with a fellow forumer who did insist on this inspection period condition so when i recieved his knife i waited for the ok and then i felt free to do as i wished with my recieved blade. Mr Broos did not state he wanted an inspection period so in my opinion he has nothing to complain about just like i did not complain when i was dissappointed.

some here will disagree with this and i respect your opinions but i do not believe my stance is unethical for i did not break any of the forums rules.
i however have learned a lesson from all this though, all trades from now on that i make will have an inspection period attached so that none of the parties involved will feel the dissapointment that i in the past and Broos in the present are experiencing.

once again i do not have anything negative to say about Broos, this is not an attack but a defence at an attempt to sully my reputation.

as for my giving 1 of the knives away; i do not feel that is even relevant as i previously stated we did not agree on an inspection period so if anything had happened to the blade i sent (got lost) i would have sent him his remaing blade and a monetary eqivalent to his other blade.
i hope you will all be fair in your examination of the facts i will gladly post all my email exchanges with Mr. Broos if it need be.

thank you dear BF comrades for reading.
 
I don't think there is anything to doom any one for, but I do think it is best that a deal (especially a trade) is not done until both parties are happy. A week or so would not bother me. This especially holds true if the knives are used. At the same time common sense comes into play as Kohai points out.

If I am dealing with a common well known knife in mint condtion, that is what the knife is and I would not expect to have to ship it around for approval. A used or expensive knife is another matter.

Life is too short to carry an ugly knife or to be a part of a bad knife deal. :)
 
So you sent me a note and interpreted this post as an attempt at "intimidating" you?? give me a break.

I would have even compensated you for your shipping, even though all the issues with this knife are not readily apparent from the pictures. If I traded this knife I would be forthcoming about the issues that were not readily apparent from the pics, unlike you. In retrospect I should have listened to my instincts, but it has always been standard procedure in my past deals to make sure the other party has received my stuff and is satisfied before I sold or disposed of their knives!

Now you've sold the other knife I sent you, all while this is going on. All less than 24 hours after you received my knives. What a crappy thing to do.

You need a class in ethics, buddy, cause you are sorely lacking.

I will post in GBU about this, take my lumps, and advise others to be careful when dealing with you.
 
Broos i think you are wrong in your attack towards me but i will not stoop to you superior:rolleyes: level, by insulting you.
we disagree but i have no need for ethics training you on the other hand sir need to take off your bib.
 
Broos said:
So you sent me a note and interpreted this post as an attempt at "intimidating" you?? give me a break.

I would have even compensated you for your shipping, even though all the issues with this knife are not readily apparent from the pictures. If I traded this knife I would be forthcoming about the issues that were not readily apparent from the pics, unlike you.
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I would say that this is a case where the pics are adequate, but barely.

This used Busse looks like a large oyster knife. That is not what a Busse, even a used one is supposed to look like.

That being said, if neither party knew what a Busse should look like out of the box, I can understand that. I would say that this is a deal that should be undone, and nelly1974 is in the wrong.

This is not ebay or Craigslist, this is BladeForums, and we live and die by our reputations here. We don't have a color coded "good guy" system anymore, but you can figure out the butt heads pretty quick, and they don't last.

I would think long, and hard on this one, nelly1974.

Good luck, and Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Mr. Broos the way i see it we both to an extent were wrong, you for not stating that you wanted an inspection period and i for not knowing about the unwritten rule of "trades are not final until both are satisfied".
i would like to send you a peace token,
i have a brand new never used Buck Alpha Dorado with ats 34 steel still in its box. this was my second knife purchace so it has some sentimental value. but beecause i do want to quash this disagreement i will offer it to use for the purpose of peace.
if you agree on this peace token i will send it to you with a 3 day inspection period attached:D

let me know sir.
 
And he offered in his post what he would have done if I didn't get the knives, but wouldn't do that after I was unhappy. I agree I should have shown better judgement, but reversing a trade should not be so unreasonable, especially if I would have paid shipping. What really ticks me off is that he gave or sold both the knives I traded the same he got the package, and one while I was trying to reverse the trade.
 
I was a bonehead, but I was not wrong...

Sell the knife and donate the proceeds to BF or the Bartoli family. How much did you get for the ratweiler you got yesterday? You oughta donate some of those proceeds, also.

I am done with this - good thing I just got a DMT XX-coarse, cause I'm gonna need it on this project knife.
 
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