This is why I buy spyderco, no homer bias....quality and class aren't only available in america
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This is why I buy spyderco, no homer bias....quality and class aren't only available in america
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And not a thing wrong with that.
People never catch heat for buying foreign, but mention you only by American and people will really jump on you here at BF.
I find it very odd that many feel the need to tell others how to buy, but it's been that way for a while. Just overlook them.
Spyderco makes some great models here, and the Military and Para2 are two of my favorite knife designs from any company.
If you haven't tried those two models you may want to give them a try. Really great knives.
I have bought foreign(twice) Spyderco's, and a few other foreign knives(very few), but I would never tell another what they are missing by not buying foreign.
Non of my business how others shop, and it's no one else's either.
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Where was the computer used to type this made? Where was your cell phone made? What about your car or truck, is it US made? Microwaves, light bulbs, shoes, clothes... Your life must be materialistically empty buying only US made products. I agree we don't want to just buy foreign and neglect the domestic supply, but some people take this too far and think anything not US should face a boycott. I wish much more was made here but reality is different. Give Spyderco a break, they have to compete in a global economy.
This topic must be like one of those trick birthday candles for Sal. He blows it out, comes back, blows it out... and hes finally got it, oh wait. I have much respect for how he keeps his calm and speaks truth when discussing in this forum.
(Side note, trying to minimize politics here. The US ran companies and representatives are what did this to our own country. If we need to vilify someone we need only look in a mirror. Our insatiable need to consume, and for rock bottom prices, worked out rather poorly in the long run. We now are a country of service workers.)
I believe it is essential that we focus on mfg, education and honor more so than in currently being done. YES x's 1000000000
This topic must be like one of those trick birthday candles for Sal. He blows it out, comes back, blows it out... and hes finally got it, oh wait. I have much respect for how he keeps his calm and speaks truth when discussing in this forum.
(Side note, trying to minimize politics here. The US ran companies and representatives are what did this to our own country. If we need to vilify someone we need only look in a mirror. Our insatiable need to consume, and for rock bottom prices, worked out rather poorly in the long run. We now are a country of service workers.)
I believe it is essential that we focus on mfg, education and honor more so than in currently being done. YES x's 1000000000
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This is what I was talking about in my first post. Lets just let others buy what they want, and not try to convert them.
Also, people use that same thing over and over, which makes no sence.
We have NO choice when it comes to PC's and most other things in our house.
This is not the case with knives.
We have a HUGE choice, and the best(as in biggest variety, most makers/manufacturers, and as a whole) knives made are made right here in America(Custom and Production).
We don't have that choice with the things people seem to always bring up(PC, Microwave, etc...).
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I'm not sure that it's the choice to only buy American that irritates people, as much as people implying that knives not made in the US are inherently inferior. There are foreign knives, custom and production, that rival or even surpass the quality of knives made in the US.
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Nice thought. Popular thought. American made, hmmmm. Lets test it. I mean really test it.
I got two, not one but two American Made Benchmade knives listed in the exchange. Both of them $75 under list. Seventy Five Bucks! They just sit there. Now they're on page 6, the land of unsold knives. But hey they're bonafide true blue American made knives, proudly produced by American Craftsmen. .... And there they sit. Not a thing wrong with them. Never carried. Took em out of the box for the first time just to photograph them for the sale thread.
Put a SpyderCo Mule up for sale. Got 18 emails. 6 PM'S & 4 Replies on the thread in 38 minutes. Note that Mule is not made, let me emphasize NOT made, in the good ol USA.
Post. 1 2 3...SOLD. Just like that. What does that mean?
Now I'm not a smart man but I know what love is.
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That might have more to do with the popularity and desirability of the knives in questions, rather than country of manufacture. Also, the Mules tend be limited production, so there's that to factor in as well.
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In the interest of shiny footprints, I will refrain from specifying which company.
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I believe that both points of view have validity. I think that we need to take care of people in our own country first, and that can be done in many ways. If our economy was doing well and most could purchase what they wanted without counting pennies, the attitude might be different. But we don't want to be blinded to what is also offered abroad. Like most things, a balance is desired.
It's also important that in a global economy, the players follow a basic set of rules. Right now we're having difficulties with Copies and counterfeits made in China with also affects attitudes.
sal
It's also important that in a global economy, the players follow a basic set of rules. Right now we're having difficulties with Copies and counterfeits made in China with also affects attitudes.
sal
Almost everything I own is either made in China, Bangladesh, or some other foreign country. When it comes to knives, it's the one thing that I prefer to be American made. I will never carry a knife made China but I'm ready to bend just a little to the made in Japan Delica. I own a PM2 though and glad it's made here.
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People that buy only American don't tell other people they should only buy American.
They may say they only buy American, but they don't tell others how they should buy.
I've been here a long time and have never heard it(or if I have its been so long I can't remember).
People that buy foreign are always telling others they should buy foreign too.
I hear almost daily as to why people should buy foreign knives, but you won't here people telling others as to why they should buy US only.
I own foreign knives(not China though), but I would never tell another how they should buy. Thats their business, and none of mine(or others).
Good buddy, all that means is that you had it priced WAY to low
An S110V with Carbon Fiber and a Kydex sheath for $110 was a real bargain.
Thats why you got 18 emails and 6 PM's.
Do you have another just like it at that price ? Just kidding, I know you don't
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People that buy only American don't tell other people they should only buy American.
They may say they only buy American, but they don't tell others how they should buy.
I've been here a long time and have never heard it(or if I have its been so long I can't remember).
People that buy foreign are always telling others they should buy foreign too.
I hear almost daily as to why people should buy foreign knives, but you won't here people telling others as to why they should buy US only.
I own foreign knives(not China though), but I would never tell another how they should buy. Thats their business, and none of mine(or others).
Good buddy, all that means is that you had it priced WAY to low
An S110V with Carbon Fiber and a Kydex sheath for $110 was a real bargain.
Thats why you got 18 emails and 6 PM's.
Do you have another just like it at that price ? Just kidding, I know you don't
Well I thought it was a good price. Ahem. Apparently several other folks did too. Ha!
But ratio wise the Mule's over the counter At SpyderCo in Golden's cost to me was less than I sold it for whereas the Benjies are priced far below BM's list and well below what I paid atvthe Benchmade dealer in Arvada Colorado.
My point is that- I buy it for a price and sell it for more VS I buy it at a price and cant give it away- and the manufactured country of origin did not factor in, at least in this example. Personally I want to make a little money but I also get a lot of joy out of knife collecting and sharing them with my buddies. Some of us cant afford some of these wonderful knives and I wish everybody could have one. If a knife comes into my hands and I can make a buck off it and another guy can put it in his budget then evetybody wins. For the money and quality an overseas SpyderCo can do that very thing; put a good quality affordable knife into the pocket of someone who really appreciates it who maybe could not afford it otherwise. We ain't all rich but we all love knives, at least on this forum. I think thats what Sal is trying to do. Thats what I believe he is trying to do. SpyderCo is certainly capable of churning out every knife they make from the Golden factory but then not everyone could afford it could they.
Not to mention there are cettain steels you can only get in Seki City produced blades. On and On. If you like it Buy it and if you Don't......
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No. My omission. Added it to the original post and listed all below.
Current U.S. Made Spyderco Knives:
- Military
- Para-Military2
- Native5
- Pygmy Warrior
- P'Kal
- Manix2
- Manix2 XL
- Yojimbo2
- UK Penknife
If my Sage 1 had been made in the States I probably wouldn't own it right now. The fact that they can offer me CF grips and S30v steel for only $100 is amazing. I was once pretty close minded about knives until I saw all of the praise behind the Fallkniven F1 and actually tried a Japanese made knife.
Bottom line, if, Benchmade offered a knife with the same options as the Sage 1, I know it would push $200. I'm glad Spyderco can offer such a bang for the buck and still maintain the same quality.
Bottom line, if, Benchmade offered a knife with the same options as the Sage 1, I know it would push $200. I'm glad Spyderco can offer such a bang for the buck and still maintain the same quality.
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I highly dislike it when people express their opinions in a matter-of-fact kind of way. You're entitled to having the opinion that US made knives are 'better' than foreign made knives however you cannot prove to me that US made knives are better...it's just your opinion.
I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to post in a particular manufacturer's forum that they refuse to buy that manufacturer's product because NATIONALISM. If you don't want to buy it, don't buy it.
As an alternative, I suggest we educate ourselves on why a highly regarded company might want to import knives. Maybe even educate ourselves on the current business realities here in the US. This is a long shot, but we might then ask why things are the way they are and we ourselves may have contributed to the mess.
Protectionism as a viable economic policy died during the Great Depression. Let's learn something from history besides "We are the only awesome place in the world!" Because that's just not true.
Moreover, every country has interesting knives, great manufacturers, and is worthy of our respect, and maybe even our disposable income.
As an alternative, I suggest we educate ourselves on why a highly regarded company might want to import knives. Maybe even educate ourselves on the current business realities here in the US. This is a long shot, but we might then ask why things are the way they are and we ourselves may have contributed to the mess.
Protectionism as a viable economic policy died during the Great Depression. Let's learn something from history besides "We are the only awesome place in the world!" Because that's just not true.
Moreover, every country has interesting knives, great manufacturers, and is worthy of our respect, and maybe even our disposable income.
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I think most all would know I was talking about as a whole(as in variety, number of factories/makers, etc..). I edited it for you though since you dislike it, and didn't understand that.
I do feel we have more quality manufacturers and custom makers than any country. Check the Blade Show out if you ever get a chance.
I've been in this(collecting knives) for 40 years and realize great knives are made in other countries, and at times better than any made here on certain knives.
I recently bought a Fallkniven TK4 and a Moki Fishowl because I couldn't find a lightweight lockback made in this country that is made as well as those. No one here can make a SAK like Victorinox either.
As I had said, I buy foriegn made knives.
I just dislike that anytime someone mentions they only buy US on BF they catch slack(every time), yet they don't give others flack for buying foreign. Them catching so much flack for how they buy isn't right IMO, and no one's business how they buy. IMO all on of that.
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This sentence is kind of hard to follow Ram, what are you trying to say here?