Questions about sharing

not getting credit for something sux no matter how you look at it :grumpy:
hang him and we'll try him later.
" judge Roy Bean the Movie" :D:D

though all this has been said before , Kevin is very very good at putting terms and Sh!tt in terms that I can almost understand too
I'm just under layman status you know.. :D
thank you Kevin,, you the man :thumbup: book book book :thumbup:

I'll say he got posted by mistake some how :o if not, wait when he's asked in person what was written I hope he gets it all right.. :p
plagiarism is just that, plagiarism.. right or wrong

now I'll read the article if I can find it..:)
 
This topic of intellectual property has been discussed a lot with friends. I asked a sagely friend that I greatly respect when this happened to him how did he feel. He said he got madder than hell.

Looking for solutions to this problem; it seems that the only way to avoid the situation is not to share. What a great loss that would be.

This gets to be a bigger problem when it gets into the hands of the press. Their single mindedness and pressure of deadlines and the editorial pen often strikes down some information the credits the pioneers.

Some of these problems are errors of omission; some are premeditated.

I like the advice of another friend. If a person offends you take yourself away from them. If a situation is not good; remove yourself.

If you find a solution Kevin; I'd be interested in the answer...Take Care...Ed
 
langchop said:
Finally the good news is confirmed. Kevin can you start the waiting list in the mean time and put me on it ;). Watch out Harry Potter

Lang
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I can see it now, bladesmiths young and old lined up late at night at the book stores waiting for midnight when the book comes out, "look mommy that kid's dressed as a blade cross section!", "Look that kid is dressed as martensite!", with ubernerds arguing over who dies in the end of the book:D.
 
Sam Salvati said:
I can see it now, bladesmiths young and old lined up late at night at the book stores waiting for midnight when the book comes out, "look mommy that kid's dressed as a blade cross section!", "Look that kid is dressed as martensite!", with ubernerds arguing over who dies in the end of the book:D.
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Bladesmithing and heat treating ignorance die at the end. :D
 
Hi Kevin. We've never met, but many thanks to you and the others who share their knowledge so freely. I can't imagine how hard it would be to get up on the learning curve without the resources that you generously provide. Even with all the nice bite sized articles and posts, it's a huge amount to understand even the fundamentals.

My thoughts on the thread are pretty simple and I think go along with the others here:

1) Keep assuming any lack of recognition is the result of a misunderstanding. Out of a bunch of ordinary people, someone is bound to misunderstand anything put in front of them and the odd ones who deliberately misuse things aren't worth getting worked up about. Sorry to get so arm wavy and all but "False gold exists because of real gold." People who are knowledgeable (or working at it) surely won't be fooled for long about sources.

2) Do people who use your work a favor and spell out what you expect. It sounds like that would go against the grain with you, but it might really be a help to those who might otherwise be thoughtless.

3) Please do post a watermark or something (perhaps a little less dramatic than the test model above). It might help with the recognition stuff, but mostly I just want to know who did what in things I read. Like is author X supplementing, stealing or contaminating something you did.

Highest regards,
Dave Cottle

PS - I can't wait for the book.
 
Kevin
I do hope that you have contacted the magazine. At a minimum they should print a credit to you in a future issue. As a peace offering they should offer a free ad or some sort of renumeration. I agree on the branding of your technical photos to keep everyone honest.

Alden
 
Kevin,
A couple of things I've learned being on this planet for 48+ years:
1. People are selfish.
2. People are stupid.
You should protect yourself to some degree from both kinds.
- Mitch
 
Kevin,
Thank you for all the knowledge you share with the bladesmithing community.

It's great that there are so many in the knifemaking community that share their time, research, and knowledge with the rest of us.

I'm sure we are all glad that there are alot more that are willing to share and improve knifemaking, rather than die with their "secrets".

Please add me to the long list of people that are looking forward to buying your book when it's available.

Brad Anderson
 
Kevin,
Just finally received/read the Feb 2008 issue of Balde Mag.

You shoulda got credit if the images are yours or the verbage is directly yours....just out of common courtesy or more importantly.

That being a fact, it is hard for me to understand all that was proposed to be.... I admit openly that I am not as metal-wise knowledgeable as you or the other author (smile).

After reading your last (#75) post, glad that was the reason!
 
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I need to get a copy of this article.......
 
Kevin,

I'm getting here a bit late, but let me add two things.

1. Thank you for your continued generosity! I have greatly benefitted from it, and am always appreciative.

2. Where I work (academia), you can get fired for not acknowledging sources! Plagiarism is a crime, whether an individual or an organization as a whole decides to prosecute or not. Now don't get me wrong, I am not for brining lawyers in to settle personal disputes. But when courteous people expect non-courteous people to be courteous.... You get the point.

John
 
Doh! This thread had fallen off the front page and was fading like my initial anger from the situation. I am sure none of the folks involved in any presentations that may apply here had any intentional malice or slight towards me, mistakes happen we must learn from them. I gave no specifics nor implicated any particular writings or pages, so assumptions as to the source of my dissapointment must remain that here- only assumptions. My intentions were not to shame anybody, just to get feelings about a more common problem off my chest.

P.S. I just got off the phone recently with Tim Zowada, he thanked me for the photos I sent and said that they I would be very helpful and included in an upcoming article dealing with some specialzed techniques and equipment particular to the mad scientists type smiths like us. I will of course recieve full credit, which is hard to avoid with with Tim since he likes to include my sour face in the shots as well.
 
I would hate to inadvertentely beat on somebody for several pages and not add this final note:

The other author has contacted me and confirmed my suspicions that this was all one huge error of omission. I have been informed that all appropriate credits were included but got misplaced between sending and printing. This is what I really wanted to believe all along as I have encountered so few bad eggs in this business that one needs to take pause and give the benefit of the doubt in these situations and permit folks the opportunity to clarify whether they are good or bad eggs.

All the same, my shop and research is still open to any who may need information from it, I guess I was hyper-sensitive about wanting the credit because if one can name any other custom knife maker on planet earth that has equipped their own shop to the extent I have for research I will be certain to recognize that when I discussing these things, as long as I receive the same courtesy.
 
Kevin
I am glad that you were contacted, and that a mistake has been made. I sincerely hope that you do not become cynical and drop out of sight as other people have because of lack of attribution. The knifemaking community at large appreciates the knowledge you share. It is time to start branding your photos to prevent these situations.

I do not recall, have you written articles for the magazines? You really should be a regular contributor to the various publications. At least you would receive some monetary return for your research, and credit as a primary source of info. I myself prefer to read information written by someone with firsthand knowledge of the information, as opposed to a writer that regurgitates someone else's work. (Not aimed at article in question. Just an observation.)

Remember, we respect you!:thumbup:

Thanks
Alden
 
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