Quick question regarding Chinese clones.

[Quiet]

Every time you buy a fake chinese knock off you are supporting one of these jackwagon companies that think it is OK to do this stuff. By supporting one of these companies you are in turn hurting the company who got ripped off. Your purchase tells these companies and sellers it is OK and it tells the original maker that their design and efforts are not worthy of your hard earned money and their time. I don't care if the knife is identical in every way. Same Heat Treat, same steel and same fit and finish. I don't care if it is all of these things and selling for $5. It was made by a company for the soul intent of taking a design that should be protected, and it is wrong! Even if you are buying one to prove that it is an inferior design, it is wrong. The only way I see owning a chinese knockoff and it being morally right, is if you stole it from the scumbag who was selling it and then beat it to death with a hammer! This of course is just my opinion!

Whitty, excellent post.

 

[Schakalicious]

Dude! You're at $200 right now. You can get a used small 21 for $50 more.

The problem isn't the money, it's the idea. My parents think I'm crazy for wanting a knife that expensive, and I think I'm a little crazy too lol. If I got a used one and refurbished it, would I get my money back if I tried to sell it?

 

[craytab]

Oh criiminy, not this kid again.

And now he's asking about clones? Where the hell is marcinek?

Seriously kid, I'm done trying to explain things to you. If this is for real you certainly need to gain a lot more common sense. Use the search function when you have question. Read way more and post less.

Clones are terrible and so are folks who have no problem buying them.

 

[Schakalicious]

Is it elitism to look down on people who think it's a good idea to buy a product made by thieves who are stealing someone else's work? If so, then yes, I'm an elitist. The fact is that you most likely won't ever own a Sebenza, and think a counterfeit product is just as good. Guess what? They're crap. You're a child, so I can understand that you aren't old or mature enough to take advice, but the fact is, you get what you pay for. That's why excellent knives cost money, and cheap POS clones made of Chinesium rendered in designs stolen from actual artists exist, and can be had for cheap.

You want to send money to thieves, be my guest. You seem like you got it all figured out, kid. Good luck with that. Wonder if your parents will give your PM2 to your Uncle also. With that Tenacious? Make it a package deal. I'm sure he'll love it. [emoji106]

This is what I mean. Some people on this website are extremely helpful, and there are others that don't really answer the questions I'm asking, they just criticize. I'll be honest, there are tons of people who buy fake products every day. I'll use watches as an example. My dad has one fake and one real Rolex. In comparison, they are exactly the same. He wears the fake just as much as the real one. They both look pretty. They both tell time. Neither needs a battery. They both do their jobs supremely well, just one cost hundreds of times more than the other. My point is, if I do get a sebenza clone, I'll just be a drop in a bucket. 1000s of people like me have already bought one knowingly. My only concern is if I will get enjoyment out of the knife. With CRK knives, as great a guy Cris Reeve is, you're mostly paying for the name. I know the tolerances are ridiculously tight, but really, who needs that. As long as it cuts and I get enjoyment out of it, I'm happy. Fake or not, it will get the job done, and I just can't see myself buying a knife to say that I have one from Chris Reeve.

 

[Corytr]

The problem isn't the money, it's the idea. My parents think I'm crazy for wanting a knife that expensive, and I think I'm a little crazy too lol. If I got a used one and refurbished it, would I get my money back if I tried to sell it?

Yes, you will get your money back either way. It is when you buy new that you typically take the hit.

I've got to agree with craytab here. These guys have tried to help you and offer their experienced advice and it just seems like you have little appreciation for that (unless of course their advice happens to be what you wanted to hear).

 

[Schakalicious]

And now he's asking about clones? Where the hell is marcinek?

Seriously kid, I'm done trying to explain things to you. If this is for real you certainly need to gain a lot more common sense. Use the search function when you have question. Read way more and post less.

Clones are terrible and so are folks who have no problem buying them.

That's the problem. I don't want things explained to me. I just want my questions answered. Some people on here do just that, and I am grateful. Then there are those who say everything except the answer to my question.

The funny thing to me though is that I keep hearing the same thing from a select few people... "Read more post less". Meanwhile, the people saying this are always the first ones to post on my threads criticising me. You people need to learn to take your own advice.

 

[whitty]

This is what I mean. Some people on this website are extremely helpful, and there are others that don't really answer the questions I'm asking, they just criticize. I'll be honest, there are tons of people who buy fake products every day. I'll use watches as an example. My dad has one fake and one real Rolex. In comparison, they are exactly the same. He wears the fake just as much as the real one. They both look pretty. They both tell time. Neither needs a battery. They both do their jobs supremely well, just one cost hundreds of times more than the other. My point is, if I do get a sebenza clone, I'll just be a drop in a bucket. 1000s of people like me have already bought one knowingly. My only concern is if I will get enjoyment out of the knife. With CRK knives, as great a guy Cris Reeve is, you're mostly paying for the name. I know the tolerances are ridiculously tight, but really, who needs that. As long as it cuts and I get enjoyment out of it, I'm happy. Fake or not, it will get the job done, and I just can't see myself buying a knife to say that I have one from Chris Reeve.

This attitude of yours is exactly what is wrong with this country! It is very obvious you read none of the other post! Your morals are obviously completely bankrupt!

 

[Inazone]

The problem isn't the money, it's the idea. My parents think I'm crazy for wanting a knife that expensive, and I think I'm a little crazy too lol.

It sounds to me like you're more interested in the idea of a knife that looks good rather than actually is good. There are a lot of very nice knives, ranging from those made in China by reputable companies, to those from Taiwan or Japan, to American-made . . . all for very reasonable prices. Kershaw comes to mind - maybe a Camber or Blur in S30V or a Knockout in Elmax - or something like a Buck/TOPS CSAR-T in 154CM, all made in the USA and under $100. If a more basic steel is OK with you, a Kershaw Link in 420HC (also USA) is under $40 with at least four different blade/handle options. How about something a little less common like a Hogue EX or Benchmade North Fork for a bit more money?

If I got a used one and refurbished it, would I get my money back if I tried to sell it?

Probably not. The people who pay top dollar for knives tend not to be interested in refurbs or mods, plain and simple. You're too new to this to be buying based on resale value anyway.

 

[Quiet]

This is what I mean. Some people on this website are extremely helpful, and there are others that don't really answer the questions I'm asking, they just criticize. I'll be honest, there are tons of people who buy fake products every day. I'll use watches as an example. My dad has one fake and one real Rolex. In comparison, they are exactly the same. He wears the fake just as much as the real one. They both look pretty. They both tell time. Neither needs a battery. They both do their jobs supremely well, just one cost hundreds of times more than the other. My point is, if I do get a sebenza clone, I'll just be a drop in a bucket. 1000s of people like me have already bought one knowingly. My only concern is if I will get enjoyment out of the knife. With CRK knives, as great a guy Cris Reeve is, you're mostly paying for the name. I know the tolerances are ridiculously tight, but really, who needs that. As long as it cuts and I get enjoyment out of it, I'm happy. Fake or not, it will get the job done, and I just can't see myself buying a knife to say that I have one from Chris Reeve.

Listen, you can try to justify it all you want. Your attempts to downplay what Chris Reeve knives are all about is comical, if I'm being honest. If you want to give money to thieves, then do so. Just don't expect folks here to treat you kindly or to compliment your knife, or even want to talk about it. Your Dad can buy all the cheap knock-off watches he wants. Good for him. You want to buy a cheap knock-off design, knock yourself out. But don't be a whiner when the very things I and others have said in this thread get said to you again any time you mention it.

Luxury items aren't for everyone. Clones are just sad garbage that say a lot more about the people who buy them, than any message that the owner might be trying to get across by owning them. Also? If you think that you're "mostly paying for the name" with Chris Reeve knives, all you're doing is proving my point about not knowing what you're talking about.

Good luck to you.

 

[Schakalicious]

Yes, you will get your money back either way. It is when you buy new that you typically take the hit.

I've got to agree with craytab here. These guys have tried to help you and offer their experienced advice and it just seems like you have little appreciation for that (unless of course their advice happens to be what you wanted to hear).

Thank you for actually giving me an answer. The problem is that a lot of people on here don't answer my question first of all, and second of all, give advice that they don't seem to take themselves. That is my frustration.

 

[duro]

Thanks for the answer man. I might just hold out a little, maybe try and find a real used one at a good price. Neither I nor my parents can justify $350 for a knife, no matter how great it it. What is the cheapest price you think I could find a used sebenza at?

I hear ya man. CR knives tend to hold their value, unless you stumble upon a real user. Get yourself a Kevin John Sebenza style knife. It's a decent knife but certainly won't be a chris reeve sebenza. However, with your budget constraints I don't think you'll be disappointed. Just keep in mind you'll have virtually no support except for that website's product guarantee, but you'll still get decent quality at a price you can afford. I'm sure it'll tide you over until you can afford the genuine article. Kevin John does good work, some people think he's the maker behind Reate. I tend to agree.

 

[Schakalicious]

It sounds to me like you're more interested in the idea of a knife that looks good rather than actually is good. There are a lot of very nice knives, ranging from those made in China by reputable companies, to those from Taiwan or Japan, to American-made . . . all for very reasonable prices. Kershaw comes to mind - maybe a Camber or Blur in S30V or a Knockout in Elmax - or something like a Buck/TOPS CSAR-T in 154CM, all made in the USA and under $100. If a more basic steel is OK with you, a Kershaw Link in 420HC (also USA) is under $40 with at least four different blade/handle options. How about something a little less common like a Hogue EX or Benchmade North Fork for a bit more money?



Probably not. The people who pay top dollar for knives tend not to be interested in refurbs or mods, plain and simple. You're too new to this to be buying based on resale value anyway.

First off, thank you for answering my question and giving good advice without biting my head off. Basically, yes, in the case of this knockoff, I'm mostly worried about the aesthetics and feel, as I have gotten a pm2 delivered for the sake of pure usefulness. I look at this one more as art than a working piece. To me getting a clone is the same idea as getting a reprint of a painting, it costs a lot less and gives the consumer just as much enjoyment out of it. I don't see the problem with getting a clone, because its just like a reprint of a painting. The seller of the one that I'm looking at states that it's a copy for people that like it but can't afford a real one.

 

[duro]

Oh forgot to mention; rely on the user feedback of the knife you're looking at before you make the purchase. Good luck.

 

[whitty]

Listen, you can try to justify it all you want. Your attempts to downplay what Chris Reeve knives are all about is comical, if I'm being honest. If you want to give money to thieves, then do so. Just don't expect folks here to treat you kindly or to compliment your knife, or even want to talk about it. Your Dad can buy all the cheap knock-off watches he wants. Good for him. You want to buy a cheap knock-off design, knock yourself out. But don't be a whiner when the very things I and others have said in this thread get said to you again any time you mention it.

Luxury items aren't for everyone. Clones are just sad garbage that say a lot more about the people who buy them, than any message that the owner might be trying to get across by owning them. Also? If you think that you're "mostly paying for the name" with Chris Reeve knives, all you're doing is proving my point about not knowing what you're talking about.

Good luck to you.

If we lived near each other I think we would hang out a lot!

 

[Tasmaniac]

Hey everyone, I was just wondering what your opinions on fake knives were.

That was your original question, and my answer to your question is that people who purchase them are either foolish or of suspect integrity.

 

[Schakalicious]

I hear ya man. CR knives tend to hold their value, unless you stumble upon a real user. Get yourself a Kevin John Sebenza style knife. It's a decent knife but certainly won't be a chris reeve sebenza. However, with your budget constraints I don't think you'll be disappointed. Just keep in mind you'll have virtually no support except for that website's product guarantee, but you'll still get decent quality at a price you can afford. I'm sure it'll tide you over until you can afford the genuine article. Kevin John does good work, some people think he's the maker behind Reate. I tend to agree.

That was the one I was looking at. I just want something close to a Chris Reeve at a cheaper price. Knowing I'll probably never get a real sebenza, this would be nice to have. It would also let me know if I like it enough to go out and get the real thing. Kind of like the demo of a game or movie.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Hey everyone, I was just wondering what your opinions on fake knives were. Thanks for your help : )

Thank you for actually giving me an answer. The problem is that a lot of people on here don't answer my question first of all, and second of all, give advice that they don't seem to take themselves. That is my frustration.

You asked for peoples opinions on fake knives and that is what has been posted. Did you expect everyone to share your opinion?

 

[Schakalicious]

Listen, you can try to justify it all you want. Your attempts to downplay what Chris Reeve knives are all about is comical, if I'm being honest. If you want to give money to thieves, then do so. Just don't expect folks here to treat you kindly or to compliment your knife, or even want to talk about it. Your Dad can buy all the cheap knock-off watches he wants. Good for him. You want to buy a cheap knock-off design, knock yourself out. But don't be a whiner when the very things I and others have said in this thread get said to you again any time you mention it.

Luxury items aren't for everyone. Clones are just sad garbage that say a lot more about the people who buy them, than any message that the owner might be trying to get across by owning them. Also? If you think that you're "mostly paying for the name" with Chris Reeve knives, all you're doing is proving my point about not knowing what you're talking about.

Good luck to you.

I understand how nice they are, but I'll go back to watches. Cheap digital ones tell time just as well as a $7,000 Rolex. You just buy the Rolex because, well, it's a Rolex. You're paying for the name.

 

[duro]

I bought a shirogorav clone because I wanted the style, but believed the cost for the genuine midtech is heavily inflated. I was not disappointed and it's an excellent user for what I paid.

 

[Schakalicious]

Oh forgot to mention; rely on the user feedback of the knife you're looking at before you make the purchase. Good luck.

The user feedback seems all positive. It isn't a fake being passed off as real, so everyone knew what they were getting.