Quick question regarding Chinese clones.

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Schakalicious said:
That was the one I was looking at. I just want something close to a Chris Reeve at a cheaper price. Knowing I'll probably never get a real sebenza, this would be nice to have. It would also let me know if I like it enough to go out and get the real thing. Kind of like the demo of a game or movie.
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You'll be happy.
 
When you become a hard working entreprenuer or blue collar worker and your product gets ripped off or job outsourced, let's see if you have the same "I got mine" attitude.
 
duro said:
I bought a shirogorav clone because I wanted the style, but believed the cost for the genuine midtech is heavily inflated. I was not disappointed and it's an excellent user for what I paid.
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Totally agree that higher end knives are overpriced. If some of the clones are good, I think I'll pick one up and see how it goes. I won't be losing out on too much money either.
 
Corskin said:
When you become a hard working entreprenuer or blue collar worker and your product gets ripped off or job outsourced, let's see if you have the same "I got mine" attitude.
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My point is, it isn't a ripoff. The seller had made a few adjustments so that it isn't an exact copy. No logos are on it, and the description on the site says that it is a replica and not a CRK knife, and not trying to rip off Chris Reeve or anyone else.
 
Schakalicious said:
I understand how nice they are, but I'll go back to watches. Cheap digital ones tell time just as well as a $7,000 Rolex. You just buy the Rolex because, well, it's a Rolex. You're paying for the name.
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If you think that all you're paying for is the name, then frankly, it's an insult to craftsmen (and women) everywhere. You don't even realize how you look right now. If you think that that's all luxury goods are, then frankly, I can't help you without being insulting. As others have said, you have a vast universe of knowledge to pick up and I, as others have, suggest you read more and post less. I mean, I can't say it any more politely.

Also? "You're paying for the name"? That's the logic of people who can't afford the real thing, sorry.
 
Schakalicious said:
I guess I misworded my question; completely my fault. I was more looking for their opinions on the quality, not the politics of a fake.
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Either way you word it you are going to get peoples opinions about it all. That is just part of being on a public forum. You touched on a subject that I personally have a lot of opinions about. I guarantee a lot of makers have opinions on as well. Per your post I assume you are still fairly young. I hope one day you learn the error of your ways. I know you would hate to grow up, design a product, start a business, and then fail because it is ripped off!
 
Quiet said:
If you think that all you're paying for is the name, then frankly, it's an insult to craftsmen (and women) everywhere. You don't even realize how you look right now. If you think that that's all luxury goods are, then frankly, I can't help you without being insulting. As others have said, you have a vast universe of knowledge to pick up and I, as others have, suggest you read more and post less. I mean, I can't say it any more politely.

Also? "You're paying for the name"? That's the logic of people who can't afford the real thing, sorry.
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If you had two identical purses and one was a designer bag priced at $6,000 and one that was vastly similar and priced at about $60, and you were going to buy one of them for your wife, you'd probably go with the $60 one. I understand the amount of work that goes into luxury items, but if you were a business known for the quality of your product, and knew you could get away with inflating your prices to hundreds of times what it cost to make your product, you probably would. I'm not dissing Chris Reeve or anyone else for that matter, I just am saying that he's doing what anyone else would do because he knows how much people would pay for one of his blades. Either way, you're still paying for the name.
 
whitty said:
Either way you word it you are going to get peoples opinions about it all. That is just part of being on a public forum. You touched on a subject that I personally have a lot of opinions about. I guarantee a lot of makers have opinions on as well. Per your post I assume you are still fairly young. I hope one day you learn the error of your ways. I know you would hate to grow up, design a product, start a business, and then fail because it is ripped off!
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I'm just saying that it isn't really ripping anyone off. If I like the clone, I'll probably end up investing in the real thing. It's like me buying a reprint of a famous painting. I don't have to pay a ton of money, I get the beauty of the painting, and everyone is happy. Why isn't reprinting paintings considered counterfeiting by your logic?
 
Schakalicious said:
If you had two identical purses and one was a designer bag priced at $6,000 and one that was vastly similar and priced at about $60, and you were going to buy one of them for your wife, you'd probably go with the $60 one. I understand the amount of work that goes into luxury items, but if you were a business known for the quality of your product, and knew you could get away with inflating your prices to hundreds of times what it cost to make your product, you probably would. I'm not dissing Chris Reeve or anyone else for that matter, I just am saying that he's doing what anyone else would do because he knows how much people would pay for one of his blades. Either way, you're still paying for the name.
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You'd be incorrect. My wife is actually a collector of high end purses and wouldn't be caught dead carrying the cheap knock-off (and I'd darn sure never insult her by buying a knock-off). Listen, go to college, take some courses on economics, and then when you realize how foolish you sound here, feel free to come back and admit you were inexperienced.

You keep stating the same thing, and it boils down to "I don't think craftsmanship has any value."

That is a poorly thought out opinion. You are free to admire your father's cheap Fauxlexes all you want. But the fact is, none of his fakes are as nice as the real thing. Those who appreciate fine things won't be impressed. Nothing is as embarrassing as admitting that your fake luxury item is a knock-off.

But hey, not to worry. A heck of a lot of flea-market booths out there rely on folks with your mindset to stay in business.

In any case, the fact of the matter is that there are COUNTLESS knives out there, which are original designs which are inexpensive, so why not just buy one of those, so you aren't giving thieves money, and you don't have to explain "Oh...uh yeah, this isn't a real one, it's a cheap Chinesium crap copy." Why even put yourself through that? I mean, I don't like Chinese knives, but there are at least companies out there who aren't ripping off real craftsmen with their designs. Why do you need a copy? Get something inexpensive and decent.
 
Quiet said:
You'd be incorrect. My wife is actually a collector of high end purses and wouldn't be caught dead carrying the cheap knock-off. Listen, go to college, take some courses on economics, and then when you realize how foolish you sound here, feel free to come back and admit you were inexperienced.

You keep stating the same thing, and it boils down to "I don't think craftsmanship has any value."

That is a poorly thought out opinion. You are free to admire your father's cheap Fauxlexes all you want. But the fact is, none of his fakes are as nice as the real thing. Those who appreciate fine things won't be impressed. Nothing is as embarrassing as admitting that your fake luxury item is a knock-off.

But hey, not to worry. A heck of a lot of flea-market booths out there rely on folks with your mindset to stay in business.
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I agree. My dad's fake isn't nearly as nice as his real one. The fact is that it doesn't bother him, though. He gets just as much enjoyment out of the fake as he does with the real one. This is all that it boils down to for me. If I get a fake, and get enjoyment out of it, to me that's all that matters. The same goes for your wife and her collection. If she enjoys her designer purses, good for her, she's getting enjoyment out of them. I wouldn't judge your wife in the slightest if all of her purses were fakes, I'd just be happy that she was happy with them. Honestly, its whatever makes you happy. If the $1 knife at Walmart made me happy, I don't see how that would be a problem. As long as I was happy. Isn't that the whole point of a luxury item? Something that you don't necessarily need that makes you happy?
 
Schakalicious said:
If you had two identical purses and one was a designer bag priced at $6,000 and one that was vastly similar and priced at about $60, and you were going to buy one of them for your wife, you'd probably go with the $60 one. I understand the amount of work that goes into luxury items, but if you were a business known for the quality of your product, and knew you could get away with inflating your prices to hundreds of times what it cost to make your product, you probably would. I'm not dissing Chris Reeve or anyone else for that matter, I just am saying that he's doing what anyone else would do because he knows how much people would pay for one of his blades. Either way, you're still paying for the name.
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My wife eould know in an instant and I would soon be looking for a new wife
 
benchwarmer380 said:
I would think that royalties would be paid on authorized reprints.
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They are!

Your actual comparison would be if joe the local artist started to paint a replica of A Midsummer Nights Dream and then started seller them. He would be shut down immediately and probably be calling a bondsman to get him out of jail.
 
Don't buy clones, if you took a dollar a day for a year you could get one on the exchange...

IBTL IBTM
 
Schakalicious said:
My point is, it isn't a ripoff. The seller had made a few adjustments so that it isn't an exact copy. No logos are on it, and the description on the site says that it is a replica and not a CRK knife, and not trying to rip off Chris Reeve or anyone else.
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Just because there aren't logos on it doesn't mean it isn't a knockoff. Replicas of something aren't generally made if the original is still in production.
 
Nrthfce said:
My wife eould know in an instant and I would soon be looking for a new wife
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Lol I don't have a wife so I can't relate, I was just trying to make an example. What I meant was that if your wife had a cheap handbag or if you had a cheap watch/cheap knife, honestly I wouldn't judge because if that cheap knife/watch/handbag made you happy then that's all that matters. As long as you're satisfied.
 
After a bit of searching around I found a knife shop near me that carries Chris Reeve knives. I think that I'll take a trip out there to see if I even like it, and if I do I'll end up getting a used sebenza. That way I get to test one out without getting a knockoff, and I don't support any illegitimate businesses.
 
Schakalicious said:
I just want something close to a Chris Reeve at a cheaper price.
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This astounds me... You want something close to a CRK, and already paid 2/3 the cost of one for something you don't want as much.
Arguably, the CRK would have been as good, if not better, of a user over a basic, run of the mill (non sprint steel) pm2. There will be fans on both sides of the fence that will argue this, but that is not my point.

You already spent MOST of what a small CRK costs on something else that won't resell for as much and possibly not last as long.

You aren't going to get a CRK like product from many people under $300 and for good reason, they are WORTH IT to those who can recognize what makes them so. Here's a hint, it isn't the shape of the handle or the pretty colored thumb stud...
If you are willing to spend your money and not get something worth the paper it is printed on, send me $20 and I will get a good laugh out of it. That way at least someone who works hard and honestly for their income (in the U.S.) will enjoy the fruits of YOUR labor.

Buy the real thing or don't buy anything at all. Save your money and understand what the people here are trying to tell you. Don't just look for us to validate what you think is "just a drop in the bucket".

Schakalicious said:
He gets just as much enjoyment out of the fake as he does with the real one.
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Then why would he spend the money on a real one if they both mean the same to him? My guess is that he is just telling you this because he would see it as you "wasting" the money on an item that you just don't understand yet.
 
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