Quit lubing your knife to pieces

stjames said:
Please tell us which lubes you mean.
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I mean all of them. I have not found a folder yet that needed lube.
That's why I asked which ones did not of the one person in this thread other than me who said "most".

Perhaps your condecending and sarcastic attitued turned them off to your message.
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You were there when they asked me about it and when I responded?
 
Look, mike_mck2, you matter-of-factly posted something patently, absurdly incorrect. Either you believed it and you were wrong, or you know it's ridiculous and you're trolling. When someone makes an analogy based on your point to display its weakness (e.g., also draining the oil from cars), it's just hyperbole.

Here's something much more concrete. I got a new Spyderco Chinook yesterday. It had a pretty tight lock and pivot. I worked it for a while, and then decided to wash it out and work it some more. (Your observation that knives will break in better without lube has merit--but you don't leave them without lube forever.) After working the dry knife for a few minutes, it got to the point where I could hardly open it at all. The friction was tremendous. I was starting to wonder whether a huge piece of grit was stuck in there. I put on one small drop of a good lube, and the knife works perfectly now.

Spyderco's instructs us to lube the pivot because that's how pivots work.
 
ok Mike,

How bout this.......you clean one of your folding knives if you have any. I mean give it a good rinse with soap and water, then dry it off, and see how easy it is to open and close.



While your at it, lube it up with lube that won't collect gunk, then place it in your dark "hole".















By this of course i mean your pocket you sicko :p
 
mike_mck2 said:
I mean all of them. I have not found a folder yet that needed lube.
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There's a difference between 'need' and 'would benefit from'. I'd agree that in most cases a knife does not need lubricant. At the same time I think most can benefit.

Try picking up some Militec-1 or Tuf-Glide and applying a small amount. These are dry lubes and do not tend to attract dirt and lint. I think you will find the action to be smoother. You will likely find them especially beneficial if you like to flick knives or use a balisong.
 
mike_mck2 said:
I mean all of them. I have not found a folder yet that needed lube.
That's why I asked which ones did not of the one person in this thread other than me who said "most".
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I am refering to the lubes, as in "Quite a few lubes on the market not only are not needed, but they actually increase the wear & tear".



You were there when they asked me about it and when I responded?
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No, I was reading online when you became sarcastic and condecending towards anyone in this thread that did not accept your statement as the word of God himself.
 
I don't think anyone can seriously argue against the benefits of lubricating knives for the purpose of reducing friction thereby reducing wear and in many cases improving performance. Lubricants also serve another purpose: to help the metal components resist oxidation. Mike's problem seems to be that he doesn't like lubricants collecting lint and debris. That's a problem to some degree with lubricants, most notably cheaper lubricants and water displacers such at WD-40, which never seems to absorb into the moving parts as well as Militec-1 seems to (when the parts are heated before application) and as a consequence a lot of debris sticks to the lubricant and some of it can create problems with regard to action smoothness. No knives need lubricant for the sake of the action of the knife, but it's a good idea to lubricate knives both for the longevity of the knife and for the ease of opening and closing.

Edit: I don't think Mike was calling lubes evil or condemning companies for reccommending them, just stating that they're not completely neccessary. It's all personal preference. Some people strop their knives daily to make sure that atoms can be cleanly divided, others let the edge go to a dull or to utility sharpness because they don't feel constant sharpening neccessary. I lube my knives now, but when I was younger and had Swiss Army Knives I just cleaned and dried them and they worked fine. Most of the time you want need lubrication, I can't think of many cases where it's a really big deal (except for reviving knives that require pliers for opening).
 
Shmackey said:
Look, mike_mck2, you matter-of-factly posted something patently, absurdly incorrect. Either you believed it and you were wrong, or you know it's ridiculous and you're trolling. When someone makes an analogy based on your point to display its weakness (e.g., also draining the oil from cars), it's just hyperbole.
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No, that's silly. Trying to relate the heat & friction in a car engine to a knife pivot is completely inane, and pointless as a comparison.

That's like saying smoking cigarettes is just like smoking crack.

However, if someone can't understand the difference, any more discussion on the topic is just a waste of time.


Here's something much more concrete. I got a new Spyderco Chinook yesterday. It had a pretty tight lock and pivot. I worked it for a while, and then decided to wash it out and work it some more. (Your observation that knives will break in better without lube has merit--but you don't leave them without lube forever.) After working the dry knife for a few minutes, it got to the point where I could hardly open it at all. The friction was tremendous. I was starting to wonder whether a huge piece of grit was stuck in there. I put on one small drop of a good lube, and the knife works perfectly now.
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Well there you go, I guess your knife did need lube. Mine do not.

My first post in the thread was a not a question, it was an assertion.
None of my knives need lube, but obviously YMMV, as well as others'.
 
Ryan8 said:
There's a difference between 'need' and 'would benefit from'. I'd agree that in most cases a knife does not need lubricant. At the same time I think most can benefit.

Try picking up some Militec-1 or Tuf-Glide and applying a small amount. These are dry lubes and do not tend to attract dirt and lint. I think you will find the action to be smoother. You will likely find them especially beneficial if you like to flick knives or use a balisong.
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Yes, I have tuf-glide, and when I thought knives needed lube, I used it.
While it's not as bad as some, it's still not needed, on my knives.
 
Posted by the no-lube advocate:
However, if someone can't understand the difference, any more discussion on the topic is just a waste of time.
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I think it was a waste of time from the start.
 
stjames said:
I am refering to the lubes, as in "Quite a few lubes on the market not only are not needed, but they actually increase the wear & tear".
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Anything other than an atual dry lube will increase wear & tear by collecting & trapping dirt/dust/debris. My personal experience, using my own eyes, has proven this to be true.

Furthermore, I say that folding knives do not need lubricant, again based on what I myself have personally seen.



[quote[No, I was reading online when you became sarcastic and condecending towards anyone in this thread that did not accept your statement as the word of God himself.[/QUOTE]

Well, you have half of it anyway. I responded in kind to others, just like I do everywhere else. If people do not want those kind of replies, either don't make them or abuse Cliff Stamp as he never replies in kind.
 
sak_collector said:
Posted by the no-lube advocate:


I think it was a waste of time from the start.
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And yet lacked the control needed to not only not post the first time, but you continue reading & posting now.....
 
Ryan8 said:
There's a difference between 'need' and 'would benefit from'. I'd agree that in most cases a knife does not need lubricant. At the same time I think most can benefit.
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BINGO!
Knives also FEEL better with some lube in the pivot which probably matters to most of us on the forum. It can also help reduce wear over time.

Yes, I agree that a 'rough' action could stand to be run without lube for a while; heck I've even dumped toothpaste and/or compound into a pivot for a while until it smoothed out. But then I cleaned it really well with hot water and added a couple drops of lube to each side.

Like anything, moderation is key. I tend to overdo it at times so that I get it in there really good, but then I'm not using my knife in the desert either.

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RedEdge77 said:
ok Mike,

How bout this.......you clean one of your folding knives if you have any. I mean give it a good rinse with soap and water, then dry it off, and see how easy it is to open and close.
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How about this; that's what I already do, hence my topic.

Why don't you try it, and see what happens?

Have you ever not lubed a knife, to compare to one that you have lubed? Or do you just lube them up before they actually need it?


Or anyone else in this thread, aside from Shmackey, have you ever not lubed a knife? Or perhaps knives needing lube is just so common knowledge it would never occur to you that just maybe they do not?
 
Well i hate to break it to ya, but i don't think people are gonna stop lubing knives because of you.

Good try however :thumbup: .(i hope you picked up on the sarcasm)
 
Shmackey said:
Look, mike_mck2, you matter-of-factly posted something patently, absurdly incorrect. Either you believed it and you were wrong, or you know it's ridiculous and you're trolling.
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So after hearing what you had to say on the subject I am either wrong and won't admit it or I am troll?

How arragant. I guess your number of posts has led you to believe such must be the case, or perhaps it's something else that I am not aware of.

However, I am not wrong, but your valuable opinion is noted.
 
mike_mck2 said:
Or anyone else in this thread, aside from Shmackey, have you ever not lubed a knife? Or perhaps knives needing lube is just so common knowledge it would never occur to you that just maybe they do not?
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Yes, a particularly good example a SAK I've had for a while, maybe 10 years. I used it for a while and then put it away until maybe a month or two ago. I had never lubricated it once.

It was a bit dirty and did not open smoothly at all so I opened and closed it under water. I then soaked it in hot, soapy water and rinsed it out thoroughly, scrubbed it and dried it. The dirt was gone but it still required more effort to open and close than I would have expected. In fact some of the tools were difficult.

THEN I lubricated it and guess what? Worked fine.
 
mike_mck2 said:
So after hearing what you had to say on the subject I am either wrong and won't admit it or I am troll?

How arragant. I guess your number of posts has led you to believe such must be the case, or perhaps it's something else that I am not aware of.

However, I am not wrong, but your valuable opinion is noted.
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Come on, guys. :thumbdn:
Reasonable people can disagree at times. Let's try to be those people.

Can't we even debate the merits of lubing/not lubing a knife without it having to get ugly?

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Ryan8 said:
It was a bit dirty and did not open smoothly at all so I opened and closed it under water. I then soaked it in hot, soapy water and rinsed it out thoroughly, scrubbed it and dried it. The dirt was gone but it still required more effort to open and close than I would have expected. In fact some of the tools were difficult.
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A good scrubbing with hot soapy water does wonders for a knife doesn't it? With ALL out technology I find I use hot water, dish soap and a vegetable brush more than anything.

(Then I rinse with SUPER HOT water so that all the moisture evaporates really quickly when I dry it and then I just oil it a bit.)

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