Rambo Knives - Why so little talk

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Hello group,

Looking at the Rambo 1 knife, it seems the custom maker has a very good idea. Leave the middle and top of the knife very thick and just grind 1/4 inch for the edge.

However, I notice no one ever talks about the Rambo knives for tactical or survival or for utility.

May I ask why that is ? It looks like a very nice knife, but no one seems to take it seriously here ?

Why not ??

Thank you,

Leather :) :)
 
I think because when someone says Rambo knife everyone thinks cheap and poor quality.

So it would be helpful if you had a link to the specific maker and knife.
 
Originally posted by DaveH
I think because when someone says Rambo knife everyone thinks cheap and poor quality.

So it would be helpful if you had a link to the specific maker and knife.

http://store.knifecenter.com/pgi-CustomListProducts?Rambo Knives,2,16,=,uc,&,60,=,rambo

Currently, it looks like United Cutlery has the rights to the Rambo knives.

I wasn't just talking about UCs version of the Rambo knives, but any knife maker could create the similiar style and increase the quality of the materials.

It is funny how the knife blade gets longer in each of the subsequent Rambo movies :)

So my question is still posed.

Cordially,

Leather
 
Leather,
United Cutlery knives are generally considered wall hangers or flea market fodder. Many of us here are here for quality, and to keep up on the latest trends. A knife knut from here spending $500+ on one knife is not uncommon. Kind of like going over to the Rolex forum and asking about timex. Just not a lot of interest. Just being honest here.

FYI, Jimmy Lile made the origionals and they can command thousands!
Also, the hollow handle and saw back are generally considered worse than useless. There are of course exceptions. Chris Reeve for hollow handles, for example.

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Hey Leather...


With all of the other "Real" survival and utility knives out there,,and I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything...

Why in the world, (other than having an interest in it because of the movie) would you possibly want one of these things ?

They are kinda like Franklin Mint knives,,not much interest in them around here..

I remember a few years ago a guy wanted to know the value of his Franklin Mint collection.. I think he was very disappointed to find out they were nearly worthless, after he spent sooooooo much money on them...

Save your coin my friend..

ttyle

Eric...
 
Leather

Welcome to the forums.

If you run a search under “survival knives”, or, “hollow handled knives” you will pull up a number of threads.

Many of us were burned during the survival knife craze of the 1980s. We have found that these knives suffer from three serious limitations.

1) The hollow handle storage space is virtually useless. When these knives first evolved during the 1930s the space was simply intended as a matchsafe. During the 1960s Randall and other makers came up with larger knives to carry survival supplies, but these supplies were largely envisioned as pain killers, stimulants, and the like. It was only during the 1980s, after the Rambo movies that the concept of storing all forms of garbage became popular.

Most of the stuff can better be carried elsewhere in your kit. By going with a hollow handle the blade tang needs to be significantly shortened. This makes it harder to produce a solid knife, and to many low-end makers never even tried, so many of these knives tend to break at the blade/handle junction.

2) Many of these knives tend to come with sawbacks. These
sawbacks are generally completely useless, and even the best of them are best suited for very specific purposes such as cutting through a helicopter canopy. Even though they may be cool to look at they are a constant wear point on sheaths and produce serious stress riser. I have seen some very good survival knives such as the Randall model 18, the Buck 184, and the Parrish Attack Survival, broken at the sawback. These are excellent knives, but the sawback feature limits the amount of prying that can safely be done with the blade.

3) These knives tend to be heavy and awkward. The metal pipe
handle provides very poor indexing and simply does not fit the hand well. It is not very pleasant to take hold of a metal handled knife in the cold or on a hot day. Cord wrapped handles may be cool but they are used in a crude attempt to make these handles a little more comfortable.

N2S
 
N2S,

You saw a broken Robert Parrish hollow handle survival knife? Where and what was done to it to break it?

I carried one as a rifle platoon leader in the 101st Airborne for over a year. It never failed. Also, the serration's on top were some of, if not the best ever put on a fixed blade.

I stopped using it not because it failed. But because while going through processing to go to Somilia I was told by a JAG CPT. that the knife violated the Genevea Convention.

Perhaps this is why many of these knives have disappeared.

Personally, I love the design of the Rambo II knife. I agree with others who posted here that the serrations could be better and the blade stock could be thicker.

Serial Numbered Sly II's run about $3,0000. Serial Numbered Rambo II's run about $2,800.00 these will also feature the black blade.

Pre-death Sly II's and Rambo II's run between $900 and $1,200.00

Yes, I have people waiting for either to show up. So there is a demand for these. Actually, it has picked up over the last two years.

Timberline (custom not factory) also made two models with hollow handles that were very nice. Gil Hibben, Tony Louis, Mike England, Collin Cox and Jim Fuller also made some nice HHF's.

The Parrish was the only one I used extensively. After returning from Somilia I bought a knife from this guy named Walter Brend.
 
On a side note about survival knives:
Aside from the Chris Reeves, the only hollow handle knife I would trust is the Wilkinson Sword Survival. It is neat knife, the handle is injection molded plastic, that is attached to the tang with a threaded acorn type nut. The tang is rectangular shaped, with a cut out in the middle which holds a watertight plastic tube for matches, fish hook etc. Ill try to get pics up, but theyll be from a book. Neat knife because it offers a survival package, and a usable comfortable handle. BTW if anyone, esp our British friends, knows where I may be able to find one, it would be a appreciated :)
 
C. Marlowe,

Wilkinson might still be making these. Send them an email; I believe they had taken some knives down on their website in order to be a bit more politically correct.

Les,

The only broken Parrish I have seen was in an old Magazine article. It did not mentioned how it was broken, but I suspect it involved a vise and a piece of pipe. None-the-less, the break did happen just in after the start of the sawback. (see the review of the Parrish Survival knife conducted by Bill Bagwell SOF march 1985/ reprinted Bowies, Big Knives, and the best of Battle Blades)

n2s

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I'd bet my life on my Jack Crain Life Support System 2. It's hollow handled with sawteeth and has survived every test for strength dished out. Check out his full line of hollow handled survival knives including the Hunter, MCS, LS1 etc. at

www.crainknives.com

Worth every penny.
 
I bought the United Cutlery, Gil Hibben, Rambo III knife to us as an inexpensive camping knife since I can’t bring myself to use my high quality, high price tag knives to chop branches or dig up rocks etc. I think I paid about sixty dollars for it so I didn’t expect much. I t turned out to be a pretty good knife. It has a .25 inch thick blade so I never worried about using it for prying and the wood handle fits my hand nicely. The steel is just OK so I have to sharpen it fairly regularly and it doesn’t have the saw back. The best part of the deal was it came with a really nice leather scabbard. Overall I got what I paid for, a nice large heavy duty knife that I’m not afraid to ding up.
 
Hey Les, pardon my ignorance, but how come a knife can violate a Geneva convention?
What is that about? not that is a bio-chemical weapon or something,
Only thing that comes to my mind to ban it is abot it's size... wich seems pretty stupid, I mean, you can do ugly things to people without needing a big knife, so your comment got me wondering about this.

If you can explain that, you'll make me sleep better ;-)

Take care ya'all

Nestor
 
I don't know if it was the Geneva convention, but the Nazis used to carry a baytonet that was or became illegal due to the savage double-row of sawteeth on the back - illegal b/c they kept sawing up prisoners as an interrogation technique, or maybe for laughs, I dunno, but apparently it got so bad that any soldier captured with one was tortured with it on the assumption that he had used it in that way himself. Could all be bull, it's just what I heard. My dad has one of those bayonets and they are scary scary scary! Excellent wood-saws though.
 
During the First World War the allies pushed to ban the model 98-05 German bayonet with sawback. They claimed that the bayonet was a savage instrument of war, and took the position that any German caught in the possesion of one of these bayonets would be sumarilly shot. It was all a propaganda move intended to further demoralize the enemy.

Somehow they forgot that they had issued sawback bayonets only a few years earlier. I suspect the JAG officer in question was thinking about the ban on the 98-05 and forgeting that our own military was issuing sawback pilot survival knives, and bayonets.

n2s
 
This is the model 98-05 with sawback issued to non-commissioned officers (about 5% of the German Army)

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Let us not forget about the Aitor hollow handle knives also. These are superb quality that have withstood lots of abuse. I personally have the Aitor Bucanero which was subsequently replaced by the Aitor Jungle King I. Mine has a drop point false edge recurve blade with a double sawback. I have sawn a rather large tree trunk with this knife as a matter of necessity for fire in one of my wilderness escapades.

I believe that knives are both works of art, in which case you store them in a display cabinet, and a utility tool, in which case you get one that will do the job you want done within your budget. Personally a 50 Dollar knife is just as good, if not better than a 1000 Dollar knife, if it does for you what you want of it. I would be loathe to put a scratch on a very expensive knife.
 
I believe the rule is that sawed tooth knives are against the Geneva convention. Shooting the enemy if they have those knives was the punishment in those days, as the teeth could do horrible internal injuries.

I believe this is common knowledge

Originally posted by not2sharp
During the First World War the allies pushed to ban the model 98-05 German bayonet with sawback. They claimed that the bayonet was a savage instrument of war, and took the position that any German caught in the possesion of one of these bayonets would be sumarilly shot. It was all a propaganda move intended to further demoralize the enemy.

Somehow they forgot that they had issued sawback bayonets only a few years earlier. I suspect the JAG officer in question was thinking about the ban on the 98-05 and forgeting that our own military was issuing sawback pilot survival knives, and bayonets.

n2s
 
N2S,

Thanks for the Info. I am always amazed at some of the "Tests" people come up with for knives.

I can't think of a single time I have used a knife in a vise??????

The JAG CPT did explain to me it was because of the wound created was more suspetible to infection. As such it would take longer for the soldier to get back into the fighting. I then asked him if I promised to make sure whoever I stabbed with the knife was dead would it be OK. He found no humor in this.

C. Marlowe,

Extreme is correct, the Crain hollow handle knives are excellent knives. The Parrish is also an exceptional knife. So you do have a few other options regarding hollow handle knives.
 
The JAG CPT did explain to me it was because of the wound created was more suspetible to infection. As such it would take longer for the soldier to get back into the fighting. I then asked him if I promised to make sure whoever I stabbed with the knife was dead would it be OK. He found no humor in this.
:D :D
 
Gentlemen,

Caveat: I'm not JAG, so I'm by no means a subject matter expert...correct me if you have better info. Geneva Conventions were not instituted until after WWII--1949 or 1950 I believe. Believe, but by no means sure, that agreements before this were directly between combatant countries--perhaps there was a predecessor to the Conventions? Anyway, the current issue bayonet (M-9) has what I consider saw tooths on it's spine, so I don't believe they are specifically illegal--would have never made it to procurement in today's PC culture. Must be a specific reason (intended use of spines, etc) for other knives to be outlawed. I know, muddied the waters without adding very many answers. Sorry :D

Glenmore
 
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