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Random Thought Thread

Discussion in 'Carothers Performance Knives' started by Nathan the Machinist, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    Evolution
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  2. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    ^ MC?
    Nah! HDFK.

    Edited for the original guess being the correct one :p
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2017
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  3. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    Yes, for the MC and perhaps eventually a production BC.

    We started with the Lorien LC and an LC that Keffeler customized for us. We went to the BC prototypes from there and used that as the starting point for the MC. Jo, Mark and I have been tweaking it. Square this off, round this more, thin this here, widen that there, shift this over, oops too far etc. We've been dialing it in chopping stuff and cutting with it. Some things, like a version that hooks into the pinky more, feel good and locked in but hurts in use. Some turn more than others and are termed "snake slappers" because they're better for slapping something than cutting. Some work okay but don't work in other grips which Jo notices because she uses different grips than me. I know looking at the picture they all look very similar, and they are, but you'd be surprised how much a little tweak can change something. We started with the LC, which was already well evolved and dialed in, and went from there applying things learned over time. I feel the end result is even better refined and has better retention for the heavier knife. It's been a fun little development project that's wrapping up today.
     
  4. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    Damn that’s a lot of rust.
     
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  5. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    Creek bed knife you know...

    That's actually the result of corrosion from Salt

    Makes your OCD itch doesn't it...
     
  6. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    I don’t even have a D3V HDFK and even I know there is no lanyard hole in the front of the handle.
     
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  7. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    You know I’d have taken a wire brush to it, at minimum! I figured it was some kinda corrosion testing as it’s very localized.
     
  8. Burke

    Burke Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    I used my LC and a knife with a very similar-appearing handle for some work clearing out one of my stone walls recently and I was shocked how much better the similarly sized and contoured LC handle worked. A large part of it is because it is squarer in cross-section and so more resistant to turning in the hand, making it safer and less fatiguing to use


    Anyway- my point is that I agree with you it doesn't take huge differences in design to make notable differences in hand.
     
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  9. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    I do have two eyes which are lagging behind my ninja keyboard fingers ;)
     
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  10. argyle1812

    argyle1812 Gold Member Gold Member

    313
    Mar 6, 2016
    Any chance of a MC or BC preorder?
     
  11. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    I'm super excited for the MC. Having used a good cross section of weights and length knives in this genre, I'm appreciating a little more heft than the LC has, and a little less than the HC has. I like the reach of the HC, but its weight puts it out of the 'carry it around' category and is harder on the wrists with those snap cuts.

    The BWM I was using fell smack dab between the LC and the HC in weight. In my testing for brutish chopping efficiency it also performed right down the middle, suggesting perhaps a correlation between weight and chopping efficiency, (other things being more or less equal, ie; bevel geometry). Interestingly, the BWM fell FAR short in the snap cut testing I did, as it handled awkwardly and wasn't particularly comfortable in hand. The HC performed better, even though it's heavier. The correlation I detect here is more an issue of geometry, where the dropped handle presents the blade at a slight angle which tends to shear as it cuts.

    The important thing is this;
    one HDFK in antique
    one MC in terotuf
    one EDC2 in antique
    one FK2
    one BS1
    I do believe you have my address, and thanks in advance(jk) :)
     
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  12. jackal_727

    jackal_727 Gold Member Gold Member

    620
    Aug 25, 2010
    Whoa whoa whoa... BS1?
     
  13. Wood5045

    Wood5045 Gold Member Gold Member

    140
    Feb 22, 2016
    I was wondering the same thing...
     
  14. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    Da fuq, BS stands for bull shiiiit doesn’t it?! I don’t see a DEK on there.....
     
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  15. Casinostocks

    Casinostocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 20, 2016
    Lorien must've already changed the name of that DEK1 for BS1. Something like that!
     
  16. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    BladeSports1
     
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  17. JustinFournier

    JustinFournier Gold Member Gold Member

    May 7, 2012
    I thought it was called the Competition Cutter?
     
  18. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    The Blade Sports Competition Chopper is not going to be called a "BS1"


    [​IMG]

    Maybe a CC1
     
  19. Lorien

    Lorien Moderator Moderator

    Dec 5, 2005
    CC1 is a much better option :)
     
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  20. Benson X

    Benson X

    498
    Mar 1, 2016


    Carothers Competition Chopper?
     
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