Random Thought Thread

Nathan the Machinist said:
What if there was no Gs at all? What if they were totally stationary and it was the space around them moving. No issues with conservation of inertia if there isn't any momentum.

I'm just saying... What ever It is, thinking about it in the context of our own current technology (that can't even remotely do these things) might be missing something.
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Yeah, but they are in our atmosphere and everything. If we are to believe their speeds and maneuvering capabilities, the gees would turn our bodies to mush. If there is a being made of organic matter in them they would definitely have to have some way of protecting themselves from the g-forces. It is interesting.
 
000Robert said:
Yeah, but they are in our atmosphere and everything. If we are to believe their speeds and maneuvering capabilities, the gees would turn our bodies to mush. If there is a being made of organic matter in them they would definitely have to have some way of protecting themselves from the g-forces. It is interesting.
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Don't mind me I've had a few beers lol
 
000Robert said:
Yeah, but they are in our atmosphere and everything. If we are to believe their speeds and maneuvering capabilities, the gees would turn our bodies to mush. If there is a being made of organic matter in them they would definitely have to have some way of protecting themselves from the g-forces. It is interesting.
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If the crafts “propulsion” is a strong field - say strong enough to lift your craft and fly around within a strong field (a planets gravity). Everything within that field could be subject to its local gravity.
You can suspend anything inside a sufficiently strong magnetic field - frogs, plastic, liquids, gas, atoms… anything.
Considering humanities gaps in a full understanding of the physics of our universe, anything’s possible. But not everything.
 
Cap’n Smudge said:
If the crafts “propulsion” is a strong field - say strong enough to lift your craft and fly around within a strong field (a planets gravity). Everything within that field could be subject to its local gravity.
You can suspend anything inside a sufficiently strong magnetic field - frogs, plastic, liquids, gas, atoms… anything.
Considering humanities gaps in a full understanding of the physics of our universe, anything’s possible. But not everything.
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The vehicle would have to made to withstand the gees also. I don't know the math. Maybe someone could figure the g-force to a 200-pound man traveling at 1000mph and making a 90° right turn on a dime.
 
000Robert said:
The vehicle would have to made to withstand the gees also. I don't know the math. Maybe someone could figure the g-force to a 200-pound man traveling at 1000mph and making a 90° right turn on a dime.
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And this is my point. There wouldn't necessarily be any Gs because if there were Gs there would be motion and if they moved they would exit the space/time they're in. I'm sayings they are stationary and they're manipulating their local space time to move without motion. There wouldn't be any Gs. This form of travel has been speculated as a means of traveling faster than light because it doesn't actually require any velocity at all. It works by contracting space in front of you and expanding it behind you. Reputable physicists have said it wouldn't violate the laws of physics, they just have no idea how to do it. And this was my point, perhaps the answer is outside our understanding and applying our existing frame of knowledge to these phenomenon will be asking the wrong questions. Perhaps it's not a question of how do they withstand the Gs, perhaps it's how do they distort space without generating lethal heat/radiation etc.


This is just pure speculation on my part and I'm not even saying that this is what I think is happening. It's a thought experiment that illustrates the wild nature of the unknown. Ancient people, or actually just people from 200 years ago, would not understand our phones. For starters a capacitive touch screen doesn't make sense without an understanding of electricity etc. I think we're seeing a technology that we don't understand.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
And this is my point. There wouldn't necessarily be any Gs because if there were Gs there would be motion and if they moved they would exit the space/time they're in. I'm sayings they are stationary and they're manipulating their local space time to move without motion. There wouldn't be any Gs. This form of travel has been speculated as a means of traveling faster than light because it doesn't actually require any velocity at all. It works by contracting space in front of you and expanding it behind you. Reputable physicists have said it wouldn't violate the laws of physics, they just have no idea how to do it. And this was my point, perhaps the answer is outside our understanding and applying our existing frame of knowledge to these phenomenon will be asking the wrong questions. Perhaps it's not a question of how do they withstand the Gs, perhaps it's how do they distort space without generating lethal heat/radiation etc.


This is just pure speculation on my part and I'm not even saying that this is what I think is happening. It's a thought experiment that illustrates the wild nature of the unknown. Ancient people, or actually just people from 200 years ago, would not understand our phones. For starters a capacitive touch screen doesn't make sense without an understanding of electricity etc. I think we're seeing a technology that we don't understand.
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I heard of that propulsion type somewhere but I don't remember the name he called it. If I remember right it was a scientist in Mexico that came up with it, but I may be wrong. If they are using something like that, it doesn't affect the space and objects that are around it's vicinity.
 
000Robert said:
I heard of that propulsion type somewhere but I don't remember the name he called it. If I remember right it was a scientist in Mexico that came up with it, but I may be wrong. If they are using something like that, it doesn't affect the space and objects that are around it's vicinity.
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Pretty sure this is the propulsion system designed by Professor Farnsworth and installed in “Bessie”.
 
A basic atomic bomb is fundamentally extremely simple. Just gather up enough of a particular isotope of uranium and put it into close proximity with more of the same. This process is usually assisted by the use of high explosives to compress a non-critical mass into criticality, but that's not the only way. The whole thing was designed and built in an era before computers and CNC. I'm not saying that nuclear science is simple, and the actual implementation of the Manhattan project was hugely complex, but the technology itself is relatively simple, it just wasn't understood until modern times.

My dad has some old encyclopedias that were printed before an understanding of nuclear energy that hypothesized that the sun was made out of an unusually high grade of coal. I remember reading that when I was a kid and it blew my mind that people used to think that. It's actually way simpler than that. Combining hydrogens under their own gravitational pressure is way simpler than forming and then combusting coal.


If Napoleon, who lives just a few hundred years ago, where to witness a modern multi-stage thermonuclear bomb go off, he would wonder how in the hell did they get so much high explosive into such a small space. That's got to be a lot of gunpowder to generate a 200 mile diameter mushroom cloud

Edit: he'd be like wow, that must be an unusually high grade of gunpowder!
 
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Nathan the Machinist said:
And this is my point. There wouldn't necessarily be any Gs because if there were Gs there would be motion and if they moved they would exit the space/time they're in. I'm sayings they are stationary and they're manipulating their local space time to move without motion. There wouldn't be any Gs. This form of travel has been speculated as a means of traveling faster than light because it doesn't actually require any velocity at all. It works by contracting space in front of you and expanding it behind you. Reputable physicists have said it wouldn't violate the laws of physics, they just have no idea how to do it. And this was my point, perhaps the answer is outside our understanding and applying our existing frame of knowledge to these phenomenon will be asking the wrong questions. Perhaps it's not a question of how do they withstand the Gs, perhaps it's how do they distort space without generating lethal heat/radiation etc.


This is just pure speculation on my part and I'm not even saying that this is what I think is happening. It's a thought experiment that illustrates the wild nature of the unknown. Ancient people, or actually just people from 200 years ago, would not understand our phones. For starters a capacitive touch screen doesn't make sense without an understanding of electricity etc. I think we're seeing a technology that we don't understand.
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pure speculation, or repressed memories?👽
 
This reminds me of the quote from Carl Sagan, "We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology." I think for the most part we don't even understand the technology we are "familiar" with. And I'm not talking about understanding how a capacitive touch screen works, I'm talking about understanding how electricity works...
 
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fonedork said:
This reminds me of the quote from Carl Sagan, "We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology." I think for the most part we don't even understand the technology we are "familiar" with. And I'm not talking about understanding how a capacitive touch screen works, I'm talking about understanding how electricity works...
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Dude that is no joke. The more I learn about electricity the more I realize I don't understand it.

Everybody knows that electricity is the flow of electrons in a conductor. And, eventually you learn there's not really a whole lot of flow, the electrons aren't exactly coming from the power plant they are in your own wire, an electron might move a few millimeters under some conditions, but, since we're using AC and they're just going back and forth, you probably have the same electrons in your wall that it started with. Okay. But then I read electricity is not really the flow of electrons, well it is, but the actual flow of power occurs outside of the wire. I guess this is why clamp on anp meters work? I don't know, the whole thing is baffling to me...
 
^ Professor Jim-Al-Khalili (Univ. of Surrey) has a BBC documentary on electricity titled Shock and Awe: The Story of Electricity. Those interested can watch this fascinating 3 parts series on Amazon Prime in addition to YouTube. I like his documentaries on Gravity, Order/Disorder and on Quantum Mechanics.
 
Quantum mechanics! Wildly non-intuitive, to the point that Einstein had a real problem with it except it is predictive and it works.

A small particle can, and usually is, in more than one location at the same time. And it can move from one location to another location without occupying the space between them. And sometimes it gets there before it leaves, seemingly exceeding the speed of light, except it didn't actually move it just stopped existing in one place and started existing in another, so there is no actual motion.

And this is why I'm saying that those UFOs appear to be utilizing technology that we don't understand, and thinking about what we see from within the classical framework of what we already know is probably going to miss something big because whatever they are is likely operating outside of our realm of understanding.
 
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