Random Thought Thread

we've had the occasional run-in with dogs going after Mako. I've been a cyclist for decades so kicking a dog hasn't not worked for me yet. But I still have the urge to keep kicking, even after the threat ends, so it takes a lot of self control to keep from kicking humans. I just be kickin and kickin
 
Blues said:
Different venues, different rules.
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Glad Skyler wasn't injured too badly. You're definitely more tolerant than I am. I have zero tolerance for uncontrolled dogs nowadays. Not letting anything/anyone get mauled. Not risking getting bitten trying to get a vicious dog off its victim.

If I see an aggressive dog approaching or charge while growling/being aggressive it's getting blasted with pepper spray. If it's already attacking, it gets put down.

One of the concerns is the danger of even contact shots when a dog is actively mauling a victim. It's why I keep one of my swords by the door. If I ever need to separate a vicious dog from its victim, I've trained enough with swords, that I'm pretty damned surgical... and surgery will be performed.
 
I'm pretty familiar with the law, the rules of engagement and the use of lethal (and less than lethal) weapons and will leave it at that. There is no confusion on the part of the owner what will happen should this event occur in the future. I hope it doesn't come to that.
 
Sorry to hear about Skyler, Blues Blues . Hope she’s well.
I’m also sorry you have bad owners in your neighborhood. I owned a dog that, very specifically, became male dog aggressive as he got older. Fortunately, it manifested in our own backyard. The offender was put down the next day. I wasn’t willing to own a liability, even with our six foot fence.
There are different types of aggression and this dog wanted to kill not subdue.

My dipshit dog, Smudge, has nipped a few people. He has some fear aggression. I think I’ve mentioned it before, he may have some vision problems. He never actively goes after anyone. If new people try to pet him before he gets to sniff them he may nip as they reach for him. But it’s always nip and run away. If they just ignore him for a minute, let him get some sniffs in, then he is fine. Any one who approaches him, especially women, using a sing song voice and he’s instantly their friend. Even if he’s never met them. So, he’s a liability, but a minor one.

You should carry pepper spray also - because you don’t need a clear shot.
 
Cap’n Smudge said:
Sorry to hear about Skyler, Blues Blues . Hope she’s well.
I’m also sorry you have bad owners in your neighborhood. I owned a dog that, very specifically, became male dog aggressive as he got older. Fortunately, it manifested in our own backyard. The offender was put down the next day. I wasn’t willing to own a liability, even with our six foot fence.
There are different types of aggression and this dog wanted to kill not subdue.

My dipshit dog, Smudge, has nipped a few people. He has some fear aggression. I think I’ve mentioned it before, he may have some vision problems. He never actively goes after anyone. If new people try to pet him before he gets to sniff them he may nip as they reach for him. But it’s always nip and run away. If they just ignore him for a minute, let him get some sniffs in, then he is fine. Any one who approaches him, especially women, using a sing song voice and he’s instantly their friend. Even if he’s never met them. So, he’s a liability, but a minor one.

You should carry pepper spray also - because you don’t need a clear shot.
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As it happens, Matt, I had everything with me under the sun yesterday...including pepper spray. The issue is that I thought the stick and the kicks would suffice and I wasn't ready to kill the dog (at that moment).

So, pepper spray or my sap with a surgical strike to the skull might have been superior, but it's in the rear view mirror and it's hard to say what would have happened. Also, it's been breezy and pepper spray sucks when it's breezy for obvious reasons.

Bottom line is anything "less lethal" will be a short go-to should the occasion rise again with this particular dog...as she clearly intends mayhem. Other dogs have been sent running with a swat or a kick or a smack with a stick. This one was impervious yesterday to both, and I was laying into her pretty damn hard.

I could've transitioned, but pepper spray was too late unless I wanted to spray my dog, her dog and possibly myself in the breeze. So, the sap or a contact shot with my pistol would've been the alternatives.

Anyway, there's a million things going through my mind right now, and none of them are particularly warm and fuzzy.
 
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DOES NO NO ONE ELSE SEE THE FLAMINGO?

Also being the father of small children I'm not a fan of pitbulls. There is a very real statistical anomaly of pitbulls attacking both other dogs and people.
 
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There is an interesting article by Noam Chomsky in the NY Times, you can read it without paywall here, for instance: https://portside.org/node/30813/printable/print

Now, politically, Chomsky is a little extreme, you might have heard his name there; if you can ignore this, his work is phenomenal, mostly in (Computer) Linguistics, and he is in the "IEEE Intelligent Systems' AI's Hall of Fame". A little lengthy and heavy for an easy Sunday morning, but worth reading, IMO.
 
Blues said:
As it happens, Matt, I had everything with me under the sun yesterday...including pepper spray. The issue is that I thought the stick and the kicks would suffice and I wasn't ready to kill the dog (at that moment).

So, pepper spray or my sap with a surgical strike to the skull might have been superior, but it's in the rear view mirror and it's hard to say what would have happened. Also, it's been breezy and pepper spray sucks when it's breezy for obvious reasons.

Bottom line is anything "less lethal" will be a short go-to should the occasion rise again with this particular dog...as she clearly intends mayhem. Other dogs have been sent running with a swat or a kick or a smack with a stick. This one was impervious yesterday to both, and I was laying into her pretty damn hard.

I could've transitioned, but pepper spray was too late unless I wanted to spray my dog, her dog and possibly myself in the breeze. So, the sap or a contact shot with my pistol would've been the alternatives.

Anyway, there's a million things going through my mind right now, and none of them are particularly warm and fuzzy.
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Did Skylar get any work in at all or was it all a one sided affair?

I know the kicks can be absorbed pretty well, but I am surprised the application of blackthorn didn't cause serious injury or even the death of the other dog. As said above, you weren't ready to kill the dog and I'm gonna go with that being the reason the blackthorn didn't cave that big, triangular skull in. You showed a lot of restraint, E, especially with this being the second time it happened. I hope the neighbor takes the generosity you have afforded and takes whatever steps needed to eliminate the possibility of it happening again.
 
Grenock said:
Did Skylar get any work in at all or was it all a one sided affair?

I know the kicks can be absorbed pretty well, but I am surprised the application of blackthorn didn't cause serious injury or even the death of the other dog. As said above, you weren't ready to kill the dog and I'm gonna go with that being the reason the blackthorn didn't cave that big, triangular skull in. You showed a lot of restraint, E, especially with this being the second time it happened. I hope the neighbor takes the generosity you have afforded and takes whatever steps needed to eliminate the possibility of it happening again.
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I was focused on the other dog, but if Skyler wasn't doing her job, she'd have had serious injuries. (I heard her yelp once.)

The Blackthorn is relatively lightweight, and I was not using the rounded end...but the body of it. It can definitely break a human arm or leg (in my estimation), if wielded properly, and I don't know what shape the dog was in after it was ushered away. Had it been my Mendowood stick, (which is meant to look like a Blackthorn), it probably would have broken the dog's spine, it's that heavy and unforgiving, but slower due to that weight. Like wielding a club instead of a rapier.

The first time she and her husband were all sorry and apologetic and telling me how much "grace" I had shown in not taking the matter further, legally or otherwise. Even brought a bottle of wine as a peace offering when they returned from a trip.

Yesterday, in contrast, when I told her what would transpire if it happened again, she said "yeah, we know" and that really pissed me off. I said "How would you know when I never reported the previous issues, nor ever threatened your dog? But now I am making a report to the Sheriff and Animal Control, and am putting you on notice that the next time will be the last time."

I guess it was my fault that the dog came after us and attacked my dog.

As for caving the dog's head in, they were locked in with the aggressor going for Skylers neck and head, and I wouldn't have felt comfortable attempting a head shot with the stick for fear of hitting my dog...as I explained above.

Anyway, whether she and her husband appreciate my restraint or not I haven't a clue...but my capacity for understanding is now past its expiration date.
 
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Yesterday, in contrast, when I told her what would transpire if it happened again, she said "yeah, we know" and that really pissed me off.
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My only thought is that this happened with more than just you and more than once they were told ''what would happen next time''

my gripe is when the folks in the world who act this way allow there to be ''next times''. it feels like they haven't been punished for the dogs behavior ever.

what if it were someone's kid?
 
ferider said:
There is an interesting article by Noam Chomsky in the NY Times, you can read it without paywall here, for instance: https://portside.org/node/30813/printable/print

Now, politically, Chomsky is a little extreme, you might have heard his name there; if you can ignore this, his work is phenomenal, mostly in (Computer) Linguistics, and he is in the "IEEE Intelligent Systems' AI's Hall of Fame". A little lengthy and heavy for an easy Sunday morning, but worth reading, IMO.
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if I were in the food truck business, I'd name it Gnome Chompsky and serve candy and mushrooms. Maybe a combination of the two
 
tinfoil hat timmy said:
My only thought is that this happened with more than just you and more than once they were told ''what would happen next time''

my gripe is when the folks in the world who act this way allow there to be ''next times''. it feels like they haven't been punished for the dogs behavior ever.

what if it were someone's kid?
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Similar but not, I had a neighbor who let their cat roam at night. After a particularly close call one morning where one of my dogs was a hairs breath from snatching the kitty up before it reached the fence, I decided to let the neighbor know. My neighbors response was, “Cats and dogs are not natural enemies.”
I shook my head and said, “Well, I don’t think my dog knows that.” And walked home.
 
fatfrog said:
Blues Blues So animal control just issued a warning for the TWO unprovoked attacks? It's just a matter of time before a dog like that mauls/kills someone.

For example, a couple pitts killed two kids and seriously injured their mother just last October: https://people.com/crime/2-children-killed-pit-bull-attack-tennessee-mother-hospitalized/
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I don't know what he did. Apparently they weren't home or not answering the door last night (before he stopped at my place).

I saw him go up the road this morning, and about a half hour later drive back down my road. I sent him an email asking if there was any update he could share.

I had told him yesterday that I wasn't after any compensation, financial or otherwise, I just want them to be on notice that any further lapse on their part would have severe consequences.

I don't really know how the county manages these matters, to be honest. The guy was a good guy, so I'll trust that he'll do what he is empowered to do under the circumstances.
 
Blues, I am sorry Skylar got hurt and that the incident happened at all. As for folks comments, ‘grab type dogs’ tend to hang on once they get ahold of something and pain will frequently be ignored when engaged. Hunting hogs with knives and dogs will teach you quickly how determined one can be with refusing to let go. I have used the release sticks quite a few times on hunting dogs but sure as hell would not try it on a dog trying to get my dog.

Dog fights are not static, and once the thrashing happens, it is easy for a well intentioned gun-shot to either miss the target or pass through and hit the victim- especially if a dog is rag-dolling another. Getting positioned in order to not have a passthrough shot endanger the victim or unintended target may be difficult. Pepper spray is great IF wind conditions are right and there is time to get it ready, as well as space between the dogs. You certainly don’t want to spray your own dog accidentally.

I am glad Blues did not have to discharge his firearm. Hopefully the owners will take better care of their dog in the future, and avoid a dead dog and ruined neighbor relationship.

Just fyi- I am a dog lover and have had breeds such as 2 Pitbull/Rottweiler mixes, AmStaff, 2 Tosa Inu’s, Cane Corso, and currently have a Pit and a Fila/German Shep mix. I hate dog fights and people who fight them. I would avoid hurting any dog if at all possible, but if my people or dogs are in jeopardy I would terminate the threat without hesitation.

Sorry for the rant- stay safe everyone.
 
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