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Smithhammer said:
Why haven't we built this?

Simple - we don't need to.
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not even to shut up once and for all guys like me?

how awesome would it be to build this and shut people up about it once and for all?

with all the people questioning the globe earth model you'd think we DO need to build it.

and for less than learning how snails do it.

the problem is that too many people believe stuff without proof.
 
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tinfoil hat timmy said:
not even to shut up once and for all guys like me?
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We don't need to build it because we literally prove it many thousands of times a day - all sorts of transportation, engineering, navigation, etc. is based on calculations of the curvature of the Earth, and if they were wrong, there would be consequences that would force us to change those models. It's kind of like saying, "we need to build this thing to prove gravity." We prove that gravity exists millions of times per day, and in all sorts of different ways.

Have you ever been to a really big, open, relatively flat part of the country, where you can see for a lot farther than just the two miles suggested in this so-called "experiment?" How about, for example, a stretch of perfectly straight highway across the Mojave desert, or sections of Hwy 50 in northern NV, that has a row of power lines along it? If so, why do you think those poles appear to get shorter as you look farther down the line, miles ahead? And that they continue to do so as you advance in that direction? That is literally proving the exact same thing that this guy is attempting to say remains unproven.

How would you explain the Coriolis effect, if the Earth isn't round and rotating? It's an honest question.

tinfoil hat timmy said:
...how awesome would it be to build this and shut people up about it once and for all?
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It won't shut them up. Because none of the proof that already exists has done that. They'll just grasp at some other straw. The phenomenon of people stubbornly clinging to their beliefs in the face of fact is just as well documented as a round Earth is. And almost as old.

tinfoil hat timmy said:
...with all the people questioning the globe earth model you'd think we DO need to build it.
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"All the people?" Really? I think that's what happens when you spend too much time down a rabbit hole and don't come up for air - you start to believe that a relatively tiny group of people somehow constitute a widely-held view of the world.

tinfoil hat timmy said:
the problem is that too many people believe stuff without proof.
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I agree - that's one problem. But another problem is that too many people don't believe stuff for which proof already abundantly exists. Cognitive disconnect cuts both ways.
 
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Smithhammer said:
We don't need to build it because we literally prove it many thousands of times a day - all sorts of transportation, engineering, navigation, etc. is based on calculations of the curvature of the Earth, and if they were wrong, there would be consequences that would force us to change those models. It's kind of like saying, "we need to build this thing to prove gravity." We prove that gravity exists millions of times per day, and in all sorts of different ways.

Have you ever been to a really big, open, relatively flat part of the country, where you can see for a lot farther than just the two miles suggested in this so-called "experiment?" How about, for example, a stretch of perfectly straight highway across the Mojave desert, or sections of Hwy 50 in northern NV, that has a row of power lines along it? If so, why do you think those poles appear to get shorter as you look farther down the line, miles ahead? And that they continue to do so as you advance in that direction? That is literally proving the exact same thing that this guy is attempting to say remains unproven.

How would you explain the Coriolis effect, if the Earth isn't round and rotating? It's an honest question.


It won't shut them up. Because none of the proof that already exists has done that. They'll just grasp at some other straw. The phenomenon of people stubbornly clinging to their beliefs in the face of fact is just as well documented as a round Earth is. And almost as old.


"All the people?" Really? I think that's what happens when you spend too much time down a rabbit hole and don't come up for air - you start to believe that a relatively tiny group of people somehow constitute a widely-held view of the world.


I agree - that's one problem. But another problem is that too many people don't believe stuff for which proof already abundantly exists. Cognitive disconnect cuts both ways.
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Very good response
 
Smithhammer said:
How would you explain the Coriolis effect, if the Earth isn't round and rotating? It's an honest question.
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I remember, as kids, we built a "Foucault's pendulum" in our school house, in the stair-case across 3 floors :)

tinfoil hat timmy tinfoil hat timmy - there is a big one in the Technology Museum in Munich. Worth a visit, not just for the beer. They also have one of the Lunar Landing Hasselblads, if I remember correctly.
 
tinfoil hat timmy said:
let's start a collection to make this happen

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Timmy, you are a machinist. You know how tolerances work, you know how levels work, and you know how the tolerance stack up would add up across that distance across that many components.

I have master precision levels that are an order of magnitude more accurate than that level he has and precision ground hardened steel beams that are orders of magnitude more precise than any component that some contractor is going to put together. And I know that I could not develop meaningful measurement with these small dimensions and large dimensions. The signal to noise ratio would render any outcome meaningless. And surely you know that too. That guy's a fucking idiot, why are you listening to him?
 
Smithhammer said:
We don't need to build it because we literally prove it many thousands of times a day - all sorts of transportation, engineering, navigation, etc. is based on calculations of the curvature of the Earth, and if they were wrong, there would be consequences that would force us to change those models. It's kind of like saying, "we need to build this thing to prove gravity." We prove that gravity exists millions of times per day, and in all sorts of different ways.

Have you ever been to a really big, open, relatively flat part of the country, where you can see for a lot farther than just the two miles suggested in this so-called "experiment?" How about, for example, a stretch of perfectly straight highway across the Mojave desert, or sections of Hwy 50 in northern NV, that has a row of power lines along it? If so, why do you think those poles appear to get shorter as you look farther down the line, miles ahead? And that they continue to do so as you advance in that direction? That is literally proving the exact same thing that this guy is attempting to say remains unproven.

How would you explain the Coriolis effect, if the Earth isn't round and rotating? It's an honest question.


It won't shut them up. Because none of the proof that already exists has done that. They'll just grasp at some other straw. The phenomenon of people stubbornly clinging to their beliefs in the face of fact is just as well documented as a round Earth is. And almost as old.


"All the people?" Really? I think that's what happens when you spend too much time down a rabbit hole and don't come up for air - you start to believe that a relatively tiny group of people somehow constitute a widely-held view of the world.


I agree - that's one problem. But another problem is that too many people don't believe stuff for which proof already abundantly exists. Cognitive disconnect cuts both ways.
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*I'm not a flat Earther, BUT.......I think the problem is people are generally getting sick of being Lied to from our media, and from our institutions.

There is plenty of misdirection surrounding the space program, and "science" in general.
 
This does make me think of an experiment that a person could do to prove that a earth is flat or round


Maybe somebody could check me on this one and tell me if I'm thinking about this right


You could use a master precision level and a laser beam on a tower above the ground high enough to reduce ground level refraction (the mirage effect) and set that laser beam to be shooting as perfectly horizontal as possible towards another tower some large distance away. Another level at that distance would be referencing the Earth slightly different. It would be slight, but it would be meaningful and significant and reproducible. That laser would hit that tower at a spot and you set up another laser at that spot and shoot it back to the original tower. If the Earth is flat that second laser will shoot straight down the first laser. But if the earth is round the second laser will be elevated.

This should be simple enough for some flat earther to actually do.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
This does make me think of an experiment that a person could do to prove that a earth is flat or round


Maybe somebody could check me on this one and tell me if I'm thinking about this right


You could use a master precision level and a laser beam on a tower above the ground high enough to reduce ground level refraction (the mirage effect) and set that laser beam to be shooting as perfectly horizontal as possible towards another tower some large distance away. Another level at that distance would be referencing the Earth slightly different. It would be slight, but it would be meaningful and significant and reproducible. That laser would hit that tower at a spot and you set up another laser at that spot and shoot it back to the original tower. If the Earth is flat that second laser will shoot straight down the first laser. But if the earth is round the second laser will be elevated.

This should be simple enough for some flat earther to actually do.
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Is 50 miles long enough? I've got a green laser rated for that😁
 
If I'm doing my math right, the earth curves about 66.7 ft in 10 miles. So you could shoot a laser out to a tower at 10 miles and then shoot it back and it should raise 133 ft

If I'm doing my math right, this is .0012" per foot on the level. Mine is good to .0005" per foot. So it actually should be possible to do this.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
If I'm doing my math right, the earth curves about 66.7 ft in 10 miles. So you could shoot a laser out to a tower at 10 miles and then shoot it back and it should raise 133 ft

If I'm doing my math right, this is .0012" per foot on the level. Mine is good to .0005" per foot. So it actually should be possible to do this.
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Jo: "Nate, you remembered to bring the laser, right?"

Nathan: "Sigh..."
 
As big as the rabbit hole is on this subject on YouTube, there are other videos offering reality and truth. But those people won't look at those videos because it contradicts their worldview. If a person's spent half as much time educating themselves with reality that they spend looking at conspiracy theories and feeling all smug that they know some secret inside info that the average "sheep" doesn't get, you'd have a lot less ignorant people.

To me the worst irony when one of these conspiracy theorists or the Qanon type refer to other people as "sheep" is that they are in fact the sheep.
 
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