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Synov said:
That begs the question because the entire question is whether they knew the right thing to do. It seems they didn't prior to eating from the tree of knowledge. Only after eating from the tree did they have knowledge of what the right thing to do was and so they didn't have moral culpability for their actions prior to eating from the tree.
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They explicitly told to not do one thing and they chose to disobey. You can absolutely see that Eve knew better through her exchange with the serpent.
 
Synov said:
He doesn't say you will eventually die, he said "for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." They didn't die that day.
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The verse you are referring to is Genesis 2:17

You left out the word “surely.” This does not mean they will die immediately.

“..but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Also, they were allowed to eat from the tree of life. :)
 
Fonedork said:
They didn’t know it was bad. They were told if they ate from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that they would die. They ate the fruit and did not die. So God lied to them and the snake told the truth. Odd case
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I feel like you could have managed to get them a better deal, or perhaps pled their sentence down, had they had better representation.
 
Wishfulthinker580 said:
He said they would die and they did. You’re implying He meant they would die immediately and He didn’t say that either.
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No, he said they would die that day and they didn't.

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die"

Wishfulthinker580 said:
They explicitly told to not do one thing and they chose to disobey. You can absolutely see that Eve knew better through her exchange with the serpent.
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You know that when you are told by an authority to do something that is a good thing to obey. Adam and Eve did not. You are projecting your moral knowledge onto them when they didn't have it. Nothing Eve said to the serpent implies she had any knowledge that it was bad to disobey God. She merely communicated what Adam had told her to the snake.
 
Either God was saying they would die from the fruit itself, or that he would kill them as punishment for eating it. In order for him not to have lied, it must be that he was going to kill them, but changed his mind. Or that it was a test. The message is that God actually wants you to be disobedient and to test boundaries in life, that that is our purpose. To challenge rules, break taboos and explore existence, to be creative.
 
Synov said:
No, he said they would die that day and they didn't.

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die"



You know that when you are told by an authority to do something that is a good thing to obey. Adam and Eve did not. You are projecting your moral knowledge onto them when they didn't have it. Nothing Eve said to the serpent implies she had any knowledge that it was bad to disobey God. She merely communicated what Adam had told her to the snake.
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Maybe it's like in the cartoons where the coyore keeps running off the cliff and doesn't fall until after he looks down and has knowledge of the fact that he's standing on nothing.

I wish I was smart
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
The verse you are referring to is Genesis 2:17

You left out the word “surely.” This does not mean they will die immediately.

“..but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Also, they were allowed to eat from the tree of life. :)
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I didn't leave out any word. The Hebrew phrase "mot tamut" literally means "dying you will die." Many bad translations will tell you "mot" means "surely" but it just means dying. The phrase is just poetic repetition for emphasis. Regardless, this does not help your case since they didn't "surely" die that day as god promised.

They were apparently allowed to eat from the tree of life because god didn't care whether they lived forever until they had knowledge of good and evil.
 
Synov said:
No, he said they would die that day and they didn't.

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die"



You know that when you are told by an authority to do something that is a good thing to obey. Adam and Eve did not. You are projecting your moral knowledge onto them when they didn't have it. Nothing Eve said to the serpent implies she had any knowledge that it was bad to disobey God. She merely communicated what Adam had told her to the snake.
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It actually says “”you shall surely die”.

Meaning on that day they were stripped of their immortality.

Eve told the serpent: this is what God said. The serpent countered and Eve gave in. She made a choice to disobey what she knew was right.

She knew God was the authority and what He said. She knew she was to obey and she didn’t
 
Synov said:
I didn't leave out any word. The Hebrew phrase "mot tamut" literally means "dying you will die." Many bad translations will tell you "mot" means "surely" but it just means dying. The phrase is just poetic repetition for emphasis. Regardless, this does not help your case since they didn't "surely" die that day as god promised.

They were apparently allowed to eat from the tree of life because god didn't care whether they lived forever until they had knowledge of good and evil.
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They were allowed to eat of the tree of life while they were immortal. Through sin death entered in. Therefore after that no eating from the tree of life. He cared whether or not they ate of it after they sinned because the punishment for that sin is death.
 
Wishfulthinker580 said:
It actually says “”you shall surely die”.

Meaning on that day they were stripped of their immortality.

Eve told the serpent: this is what God said. The serpent countered and Eve gave in. She made a choice to disobey what she knew was right.

She knew God was the authority and what He said. She knew she was to obey and she didn’t
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It actually says "bayom (in the day) achalecha (that you eat) memenu (of it) mot (dying) tamut (you will die). It does not say you will die some time after eating it, it says you will die in the day you eat it.

What exactly indicates Eve knew it was right to obey God? How would she know what is right before she had knowledge of right and wrong?

Wishfulthinker580 said:
They were allowed to eat of the tree of life while they were immortal. Through sin death entered in. Therefore after that no eating from the tree of life. He cared whether or not they ate of it after they sinned because the punishment for that sin is death.
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Nothing indicates they were immortal. The text lists the consequences of eating from the tree of knowledge but nowhere does it list loss of immortality. Also, the existence of the tree of life and the tree of knowledge imply that Adam and Eve lacked both immortality and moral knowledge.
 
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