Random Thought Thread

KnifeVice said:
That’s a bummer. Which model, if you don’t mind me asking? My wife drives a 2020 Buick enclave that has had the transmission rebuilt twice. First time under warranty, second time on my dime. I’ve been thinking about picking up a Forester for her.
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It’s an Outback Wilderness. We love the car, it’s been amazing. However, I have a 36 year old truck with well over double the miles that still has its original transmission. Hard to wrap my head around a relatively new car needing a new transmission so soon.

I wonder if Subaru recognizes the absurdity of it and is why they are offering to cover 50% of the replacement cost.

There might be more knowledgeable folks here that can speak to it, but I seem to recall that Subaru and Toyota did some sort of partnership a couple of years ago and that was supposed to strengthen Subaru’s transmission offerings (which have historically been prone to problems).
 
XtianAus said:
Do you really believe in moral relativism?

What about objective truth?
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Did you know that a little bit more than half of the world's population is more or less under the Abrahamic religions. What a wildly successful group of belief systems. Of course, each subset of those belief systems are absolutely certain that the others are wrong. Like, they would fight to the death they are so certain that the others are wrong. Which is weird because, if you were to do the thought experiment where you pluck a highly religious person from one culture, as a child and place them in another culture, they would almost certainly be just as fervent adamant believers of the other worldview.

Which gets back around to what I was saying. I know nothing.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Did you know that a little bit more than half of the world's population is more or less under the Abrahamic religions. What a wildly successful group of belief systems. Of course, each subset of those belief systems are absolutely certain that the others are wrong. Like, they would fight to the death they are so certain that the others are wrong. Which is weird because, if you were to do the thought experiment where you pluck a highly religious person from one culture, as a child and place them in another culture, they would almost certainly be just as fervent adamant believers of the other worldview.

Which gets back around to what I was saying. I know nothing.
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And yet Nathan, respectfully, you are certain Islam is wrong (so am I). So you make the same claims. But at the end of the day, all can be wrong, but not all can be right.
Jesus by the way, grew up in a Jewish culture and yet made claims that radically challenged the culture.

"if you were to do the thought experiment where you pluck a highly religious person from one culture, as a child and place them in another culture, they would almost certainly be just as fervent adamant believers of the other worldview."

The same applies to an atheist. That is a self defeating statement.

(I say this not with any anger, frustration, personal attack, or offense to be taken).
 
Man. You guys are knocking on the door.

Who controls the past controls the future.
Who controls the present controls the past.

I'm under the impression that history is fake. The further back something is said to have happened the easier it is to decide what the truth is.

The more recently something is said to have happened the easier it is to steer the narrative to mold the reaction.

ANYWAYS. In Minecraft and all that.

I'm still hung up on foot butts and if they exist. Don't mind me.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Did you know that a little bit more than half of the world's population is more or less under the Abrahamic religions. What a wildly successful group of belief systems. Of course, each subset of those belief systems are absolutely certain that the others are wrong. Like, they would fight to the death they are so certain that the others are wrong. Which is weird because, if you were to do the thought experiment where you pluck a highly religious person from one culture, as a child and place them in another culture, they would almost certainly be just as fervent adamant believers of the other worldview.

Which gets back around to what I was saying. I know nothing.
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All by design man. Divide and conquer. Piddly bullshit differences keep the people that are the most alike apart just enough
 
XtianAus said:
And yet Nathan, respectfully, you are certain Islam is wrong (so am I). So you make the same claims. But at the end of the day, all can be wrong, but not all can be right.
Jesus by the way, grew up in a Jewish culture and yet made claims that radically challenged the culture.

"if you were to do the thought experiment where you pluck a highly religious person from one culture, as a child and place them in another culture, they would almost certainly be just as fervent adamant believers of the other worldview."

The same applies to an atheist. That is a self defeating statement.

(I say this not with any anger, frustration, personal attack, or offense to be taken).
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I think I agree with you 100%

Jesus was pretty awesome.

There's a lot of good stuff in Islam too. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to cherry pick. You have to take the bad with the good and, in my opinion, despite the fact that there are a lot of lovely people who subscribe to that belief system (they really have no choice, do they?), the belief system itself is problematic and can never be updated to reflect the evolution of human society, it is written in stone, under penalty of death.

It is my opinion that Islamic fundamentalism is, fundamentally, incompatible with modern Western society. And importing people from these cultures might not be in our best interest. I look at the Somali Muslims in Minnesota and a lot of them did not turn out to be the scientists, doctors and engineers we were promised. They're not attempting to assimilate and there is a cost associated with having them here and, as a taxpayer, I don't think supporting them is a good use of my money. If they wanted to assimilate and join our society it would be different but that has proven to not be the case.

And the problem in Europe is staggeringly worse.

A good friend of mine pointed out that he really has no problem with these people and he pointed out they really have no agency here. He feels bad for them. I would like to feel bad for them too, dealing with their plight in their homeland. I think that would be a good place for them to be while I feel bad for them. If they're going to be here, I insist they adopt our culture.

I should learn more about scientology. That seems like some pretty low-hanging fruit.

In Minecraft.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
In fact, I would go so far as to say, embracing moral relativism, maybe Europe will have another Vlad the Impaler who gets celebrated one day. But then demonized later. Kind of like Thomas Jefferson!*





*Thomas Jefferson was awesome, I don't care what anyone has to say about it.
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I know a guy who's the exact opposite of that from Europe
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
I think I agree with you 100%

Jesus was pretty awesome.

There's a lot of good stuff in Islam too. Unfortunately, we're not allowed to cherry pick. You have to take the bad with the good and, in my opinion, despite the fact that there are a lot of lovely people who subscribe to that belief system (they really have no choice, do they?), the belief system itself is problematic and can never be updated to reflect the evolution of human society, it is written in stone, under penalty of death.

It is my opinion that Islamic fundamentalism is, fundamentally, incompatible with modern Western society. And importing people from these cultures might not be in our best interest. I look at the Somali Muslims in Minnesota and a lot of them did not turn out to be the scientists, doctors and engineers we were promised. They're not attempting to assimilate and there is a cost associated with having them here and, as a taxpayer, I don't think supporting them is a good use of my money. If they wanted to assimilate and join our society it would be different but that has proven to not be the case.

And the problem in Europe is staggeringly worse.

A good friend of mine pointed out that he really has no problem with these people and he pointed out they really have no agency here. He feels bad for them. I would like to feel bad for them too, dealing with their plight in their homeland. I think that would be a good place for them to be while I feel bad for them. If they're going to be here, I insist they adopt our culture.

I should learn more about scientology. That seems like some pretty low-hanging fruit.

In Minecraft.
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Totally agree. You cannot cherry pick. And all belief systems have some good in them. But the question is which is true.

Can I say though, as a Christian, I believe the Bible as the very word of God and so I believe every part of it and think it transcends every culture, time and place. No cherry picking here
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Y'all were the ones that wanted to talk about religion


Let this be a lesson to you :mad:


And we shall speak of this no more 😞
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For what it is worth, I do enjoy religious discussions, particularly of the scholarly type. I find the arguments between apologetics and otherwise to be intriguing and separating the dogma from the data can be a very fascinating study. It does require one to rise above the fundamentalism and maintain some level of objectivity, especially if one's belief system is already presupposed; that's the difficulty, especially on an online discussion board.

It's way more fun over cigars and whisky.
 
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