Random Thought Thread

Fonedork said:
I'm on day 2 of a water fast. If you've never fasted it is a good way to learn that you don't have to eat when your stomach is growling, you can just ignore it and it will stop bothering you and you won't die or even really feel bad. I started doing this for autophagy and various health/metabolic benefits, but I also dropped about 12 pounds the last time I did a ~80 hour fast. I gained back about 15 pounds since then by eating a ton of fried foods and cheeseburgers and ice cream and pouring honey straight out of the bottle into my mouth and guzzling beers etc. but that was optional.
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I have a fast scheduled for next week. 36 hour seems to be the easiest for me. I eat my last meal before bed then the next day consume LMNT packets in a gallon just with distilled water and lemon juice then have another sleep and have some bacon and eggs whenever I feel hungry after waking up.

I've made it to 84 hours I think k was my longest. I was ready to be done.
 
tinfoil hat timmy said:
My point was that the lower income persons tend to be on some sort of assistance financially and the best most nutritious foods tend to be more expensive and less attractive package wise to children.

Thus. People who have less tend to eat less nutritious food even when given help.

I worked in a grocery store for 12 years and have seen it all.
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This is another excuse.

There are PLENTY of nutritional options that are cheaper than overeating garbage, but people lack discipline.

Chicken, rice, beans, vegetables… all of these can be bought for less than the typical garbage most obese people eat, but “OMG… I have to actually COOK? That takes up too much energy, and time away from sitting idly in front of the TV”.
tinfoil hat timmy said:
My point was that the lower income persons tend to be on some sort of assistance financially and the best most nutritious foods tend to be more expensive and less attractive package wise to children.

Thus. People who have less tend to eat less nutritious food even when given help.

I worked in a grocery store for 12 years and have seen it all.
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trevitrace said:
Somehow that looks delicious and disgusting at the same time.
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It's one of those things that is probably engineered to taste pretty great on the first bite to hook you in, but every subsequent bite brings you closer to nausea. At least for me; I think some people have lost that survival feature.

tinfoil hat timmy said:
My point was that the lower income persons tend to be on some sort of assistance financially and the best most nutritious foods tend to be more expensive and less attractive package wise to children.

Thus. People who have less tend to eat less nutritious food even when given help.

I worked in a grocery store for 12 years and have seen it all.
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This is a point that stuck out to me when I read Hillbilly Elegy, by J.D. Vance*. Will a struggling family on food assistance spend their precious little on fresh cabbage, whole grains, and lean meats that they have to spend time cooking (of which they probably have very little), then have to try to convince their children to eat it, only to get hungry again a few hours later? Or will they choose frozen pizzas, mac n' cheese, and sugary cereals that are cheaper, convenient, tastier, and something their kids will readily eat without coercion?

I am sure most people would prefer to choose the first option because they know it is better for them. But in reality, it's a no-brainer for so many people: cheap, convenient, tasty, and a full belly beats sensible, clean, healthy, expensive, and inconvenient almost every time. I do not think it is helpful to blame people for making this choice when they are put in a tough situation.



*No comment on subsequent political developments; I still think it was a good book.
 
tinfoil hat timmy said:
I have a fast scheduled for next week. 36 hour seems to be the easiest for me. I eat my last meal before bed then the next day consume LMNT packets in a gallon just with distilled water and lemon juice then have another sleep and have some bacon and eggs whenever I feel hungry after waking up.

I've made it to 84 hours I think k was my longest. I was ready to be done.
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Just water and nicotine for me. It seems to get easier and easier day by day for me. Yesterday on day 1 I did 3 sets of squats and some bench press and rows thinking it would make me super hungry but it didn't.
 
SharpBits said:
We are essentially force fed a diet consisting of high calorie, simple carbs because that's what get subsidized. Big Ag is addicted to government hand outs. Cut government subsidizing and Big Ag will grow other crops. Soy beans, wheat , and sugar are not real food, but that's what is cheapest to buy right now.
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No one is being ‘force fed’ anything. People CHOOSE to eat like hogs, while simultaneously CHOOSING to be as lazy as possible.

I know more than a few keto cultists. “Carbs are da debbil!”.

Again; I’ve traveled a lot. In most Asian countries where the rates of obesity are FAR lower, the standard diet consists of getting the majority of their daily calories from carbs (rice, noodles, flatbreads etc.), because carbs are a lot cheaper than meat (and most Asian diets include a lot of vegetables as well).

It’s not the GMO wheat/soy making people fat. We don’t bother looking for non-GMO/organic/heirloom blah blah blah.

We’re not fat, simply through the basics of CICO. We stay active (way more active), and eat in moderation (OK, I eat a lot. I also engage in a lot more physical activity than normal, but if I’m unable to engage in my normal levels of physical activity, I cut my CI drastically, to compensate, knowing that I’m not burning the extra 1,000-2,000kcal).
 
I can drop weight very fast if I didn't love beer

I was down 70 pounds about 5 years ago then a bunch of really good beer came out

I've always been a light eater usually 1 meal a day , and usually only have a small portion

I just really enjoy a delicious cold beer


Mmmmmmmbeeeeeeeer
 
bluemax_1 said:
***Synov’s pics are another interesting observation; in many/most foreign restaurants, you see a lot of the plate. In US restaurants, people seem to feel cheated when they see too much of the plate not buried with food.
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To be fair, I don't think you can take my pictures to be representative at all. I'm American and most of my pictures are from American restaurants. Nicer restaurants tend to have smaller portions. Sure, a lot of the daintier plates are from traveling, but that's because I go to high end restaurants when I travel. And you have to take into account that all of those small plates are being served at the same meal. If French people ate like I did in France, they would be more obese than we are! At the end of the day it comes down to a mix of culture and choice. It's not just one or the other.
 
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The actual cost of the ingredients is a minor portion of the expense of producing a meal in a restaurant in America. It makes sense to make it large, it represents a better "value".

America is one of the richest countries in the world and we can afford to eat out and we have normalized these large portions.

We no longer expend a great deal of energy during our day and do not burn off this excess food.

We eat so much sugar. The Americans taste has adapted to extremely sweet food that would be off-putting to a normal person. Once you take sugar out of your diet for a while and then have a soda or an energy drink or dessert, it's actually nauseating how much sugar is in everything.

Sugar makes you fat through several mechanisms, only one of which is calories.

I have found that a person can increase their energy and also lose a lot of weight by drinking plenty of water, getting enough sleep and exercise, using a lot of crack cocaine, and cutting out sugar.
 
Tanto Quantavious said:
The actual cost of the ingredients is a minor portion of the expense of producing a meal in a restaurant in America. It makes sense to make it large, it represents a better "value".

America is one of the richest countries in the world and we can afford to eat out and we have normalized these large portions.

We no longer expend a great deal of energy during our day and do not burn off this excess food.

We eat so much sugar. The Americans taste has adapted to extremely sweet food that would be off-putting to a normal person. Once you take sugar out of your diet for a while and then have a soda or an energy drink or dessert, it's actually nauseating how much sugar is in everything.

Sugar makes you fat through several mechanisms, only one of which is calories.

I have found that a person can increase their energy and also lose a lot of weight by drinking plenty of water, getting enough sleep and exercise, using a lot of crack cocaine, and cutting out sugar.
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SharpBits said:
Tanto is a wise evil clown. So evil...
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