Ranking of Steels in Categories based on Edge Retention cutting 5/8" rope

jankerson

Here is my list of steels in order for edge retention cutting cardboard from my testing so far.
ZDP-189
VG-10
CPM 154
CPM S35VN
VG-1
CPM M4
Duratech 20CV
CPM S30V
AUS-8A
SR-101
INFI

I find this hard to believe , the order seems wrong ....... 154 is better than M-4 ???Duratech 20CV ?????
 
jankerson

Here is my list of steels in order for edge retention cutting cardboard from my testing so far.
ZDP-189
VG-10
CPM 154
CPM S35VN
VG-1
CPM M4
Duratech 20CV
CPM S30V
AUS-8A
SR-101
INFI

I find this hard to believe , the order seems wrong ....... 154 is better than M-4 ???Duratech 20CV ?????

Agreed, that's why I posted it up, hoping that Ankerson might clarify this. He lists steels in categories I think and this may be a category in which similar results were obtained. It doesn't seem to be correct "at a glance."
 
I once used ZDP189 cutting foam insulation all day long and I was surprised at how well it held up ...............
Granted , it dulled it up but foam insulation is very abrasive ......... it still had somewhat of an edge.
That was my spyderco endura.
 
jankerson

Here is my list of steels in order for edge retention cutting cardboard from my testing so far.
ZDP-189
VG-10
CPM 154
CPM S35VN
VG-1
CPM M4
Duratech 20CV
CPM S30V
AUS-8A
SR-101
INFI

I find this hard to believe , the order seems wrong ....... 154 is better than M-4 ???Duratech 20CV ?????


That's the main reason why I went away from that method on moved to rope instead, it's more accurate, too many variables in just using cardboard.. ;)
 
jankerson

Here is my list of steels in order for edge retention cutting cardboard from my testing so far.
ZDP-189
VG-10
CPM 154
CPM S35VN
VG-1
CPM M4
Duratech 20CV
CPM S30V
AUS-8A
SR-101
INFI

I find this hard to believe , the order seems wrong ....... 154 is better than M-4 ???Duratech 20CV ?????

No. It's CPM 154, the powder metal version of 154 CM. It's not the same steel.
 
jankerson

Here is my list of steels in order for edge retention cutting cardboard from my testing so far.
ZDP-189
VG-10
CPM 154
CPM S35VN
VG-1
CPM M4
Duratech 20CV
CPM S30V
AUS-8A
SR-101
INFI

I find this hard to believe , the order seems wrong ....... 154 is better than M-4 ???Duratech 20CV ?????

Your results are roughly reasonable, all things considered.

In cutting cardboard you face three issues:
1) Cardboard is extremely variable in composition. So what you are cutting varies in abrasiveness. This leads to misleading results.
2) In cutting cardboard and judging by resistance to cutting, your results are highly dependent on blade geometry. Blade geometry has more impact on cutting performance than blade alloy does. To actually get totally valid results for any method dependent on cutting resistance, you would have to have each blade have exactly the same geometry as the others you are comparing.
3) If you vary the cutting method, you get different results. Slicing does not give the same results as push cutting. If you do not cut exactly the same with each blade, you won't have a valid comparison.

Manila rope is more uniform than cardboard, so there is less variability in the cutting results. When cutting manila rope, blade geometry has somewhat less impact on the resistance to cutting. But, it still has some impact.

BTW, You are also leaving out Rockwell hardness of the blades. Unless you measure the hardness, you don't know what you are measuring. I've tested S30V at both 58.3 and 59.7 HRC. There was a difference in the performance (note: they were both measured on a machine constantly calibrated to the same standard. That made the hardness comparison valid, differences less than ± 1 are not validly measurable on machines calibrated to different standards.)
 
First, thanks for all the hard work. I really like the information.

Could I make a request on some additional information on your test ranking page? Here is what I would like to see if possible.
1. List on each steel tested, the knife or knives used for testing the steels (model/manufacturer/maker)
2. List on each category, the range of cuts (upper/lower number of cuts) that the category represents for the steels

This is qualitative information that I think is relavent and also helps to differentiate the categories quantitatively.

Jeff
 
Jim have you ever used any 20CV?

I asked jim and as of that time he hadn't. Isn't it the same as M390? Good stuff CTS, my XM-18 EDC is DT20CV and boy is it hard and hold an edge, :thumbup:

I'm interested in Jim's thoughts. Hey what's up on the videos dude? You went on Holidays and never came back or what? :D
 
I asked jim and as of that time he hadn't. Isn't it the same as M390? Good stuff CTS, my XM-18 EDC is DT20CV and boy is it hard and hold an edge, :thumbup:

I'm interested in Jim's thoughts. Hey what's up on the videos dude? You went on Holidays and never came back or what? :D

I have made 5 or 6 vids in the last few days. Haha

Based on composition, 20CV is almost identical to M390 - but I've heard conflicting reports on its performance. I am going to rope test mine tonight hopefully, maybe tomorrow.

I just got a Socom Elite in 20CV, so I am really excited to see how it performs.

I only wish I could land an XM-18. Looks like I'll never be able to though.
 
I only wish I could land an XM-18. Looks like I'll never be able to though.
All you have to do is sell a couple of your triplicates and grab one. They're at an all time cheap in the exchange and BNIB too! :thumbup:
 
I'm hoping we can get all the flagship steels(Benchmade 154CM, Spyderco VG-10 & S30V, Kershaw's 14C28N, Buck's 420HC) on this list:thumbup:.
 
hey you need to test out the new M390 paramilitary 2 ..im curious to see where it stands against the carpenter steel
 
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