[Re titled] Designing 2 custom Bowie's to be built

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What is the absolute best Bowie on the market today, production or custom, made purely for fighting?

Some requirements for suggestions:

Must be high quality materials and construction (you'd bet your life on it without second thought)

Must have at least a 9" blade

Must have a top and bottom guard (dual guard?)

Can have a false edge but not sharpened (single edge)

And we will just say price is no issue for the sake of suggestions. I want to know the BEST !

Please share which blade you think is king below!

Bacon,

9" blade is about an inch too long to allow one to move it as fast as they can when they have no knife in their hand at all. It's got to do with pivot points and fulcrum distances needed in establishing the right amount, or at least NOT exceeding the right amount, of torque needed by a man's hand and arm to move an object they're holding within it, almost as fast as they can move their bare hand.

If you hold a ruler in your hand, grasp it as you would a knife, and measure the distance that your hand covers the ruler, then you'll know what the best length of FULL TANG knife is for you, with tapered tang, that distance shortens, contrary to popular (mis)belief.

On average, that grasping distance is about 3 & 3/4", mine is a tad over 4". The way the maths works if you want to have a knife that is an EXTENSION of your arm, ie, the center of mass of the knife REMAINS in the clasp of your hand and doesn't extend PAST or beyond your hand, is that the maximum length of blade of a solidly built FULL TANG FLAT GROUND knife (say 1/4" stock or near that) should NOT exceed TWICE the measured clasping distance beyond the hand. If the knife is a full convex grind, then that distance decreases a little, and if hollow ground, it increases a smidgen. So if you have a grasping distance on the handle of let's say 3.75", then with a FULL TANG, you don't want to exceed a blade length of 7.5". With a tapered tang in the same hand, that distance is less because the COMass of a TTang knife extends further up the front of a knife of equivalent length. So the position of the COM of a tapered tang that is the same total length of the right sized full tang knife places more mass or weight BEYOND your hand, which then means that you have a "non-releasing slingshot" effect going on with the tip of the knife when you move the knife in your hand. The extra mass outside your grasp means it will take MORE effort/strength to pull up such a knife and change its direction than it would a full tang of the same length. Sure, the balance or pivot point of a tapered tang is often closer to the ricasso than an equivalent full tang, but that's only good if you intend on using the knife as a THROWER. A fighter is not a throwing knife. Sorry to all those who have been telling others that a tapered tang gives you better balance whilst implying that such balance is what one should seek in a fighter. Nothing could be further from the truth, the balance, or COM of a fighter is needed IN THE HAND, not on the edge of it nor on the outside of it. This is why so many makers produce seemingly long handles with respect to the blades lengths even with relatively short knives, because the longer handle helps in keeping the COM of the knife IN YOUR GRASP. It pulls the pivot point of the knife further BACK, not forward like a TTAng does. IOW, it gives the knife "MORE BRAKES" in your hand.

That's why I would NEVER go for a Tapered tang fighter... it defeats the purpose of the knife. Even when you're just holding a TTang in your hand you can feel the missing mass from within your hand... like a part of the knife is missing. That's your instinct talking to you... feel your instinct, it's there for a purpose.

So for big hands, I'd suggest a 7.5-8" blade length in full tang (ie, total length of 4.5" + 8"= 12.5"), for average sized hands, 7-7.25inch, and small blokes with small hands, 7-6.5". But if you have hands like Adam Vigil, then you can go up to a 9"" blade length. I know because I've approximated his grasping distance from all the pics he posts, and its a solid hand, not a slim fingered hand, he has a distance of at least 4.5", so a hand like that can go 8.5-9" in full tang, and the knife would still work like an extension of the hand, not like a protrusion, the balance would be in check and where it belongs.

As for the best mass produced fighter; if you're a big bloke, I can't see how you could go past and Attack 14 with single finger grip. Get one of those in your hand, and you'll fast know what I mean; they're not a small knife and they're heavy, solidly built. If you're a smaller bloke, you should go NO more than a 7.5" full tang or 6.5-7" tapered-tang or reduced tang. I would then consider a SFGrip Model 1-7 or 1-6.5. That would fit a smaller hand like a glove, the holder could move almost as if it weren't even there.

As for custom knives, work out your blade length, pick the blade material, blade profile and your knifemaker... and go for your life.
 
Randall Smithsonian Bowie, this is one my favorite all time Bowies, when you hold this beast it feels like you are holding history.

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To go full slashy-stabby I recommend a 13" blade in one hand & a 33" in t'other.
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"Whats the best fighting Bowie?" is like asking "Whats the fastest Lada?".
 
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Bacon,

9" blade is about an inch too long to allow one to move it as fast as they can when they have no knife in their hand at all. It's got to do with pivot points and fulcrum distances needed in establishing the right amount, or at least NOT exceeding the right amount, of torque needed by a man's hand and arm to move an object they're holding within it, almost as fast as they can move their bare hand.

If you hold a ruler in your hand, grasp it as you would a knife, and measure the distance that your hand covers the ruler, then you'll know what the best length of FULL TANG knife is for you, with tapered tang, that distance shortens, contrary to popular (mis)belief.

On average, that grasping distance is about 3 & 3/4", mine is a tad over 4". The way the maths works if you want to have a knife that is an EXTENSION of your arm, ie, the center of mass of the knife REMAINS in the clasp of your hand and doesn't extend PAST or beyond your hand, is that the maximum length of blade of a solidly built FULL TANG FLAT GROUND knife (say 1/4" stock or near that) should NOT exceed TWICE the measured clasping distance beyond the hand. If the knife is a full convex grind, then that distance decreases a little, and if hollow ground, it increases a smidgen. So if you have a grasping distance on the handle of let's say 3.75", then with a FULL TANG, you don't want to exceed a blade length of 7.5". .

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If you want the best fighting knife, get one the anniversary or limited editions Gerber Mark IIs.

70th and 2002 Specials are very good, but the cat's tongue grip of the 70th (and others) is really a plus.

The reason you want the Gerber specials is that they are better made and have a sharper point geometry than regular runs. Avoid Mark IIs with rounded looking points, which includes most of the very old ones...

The reason you want the Gerber Mark II is that it is usually near zero-ground, which is unique among factory daggers, and this makes them sharper than most plucky single edge knives...

Yes it is too short at 6.9", but everything else meant for fighting is duller, and duller pointed, so do you want duller or sharper?

Gaston
 
Bagwell or Comtech. Both make awesome fighting bowies. Just remember the key to anfighting bowie is a sharpened swedge so you can perform backcuts.

Here is a video demonstrating the deadly power of the back cut. Please watch it if you are notnsire what a back cut is. It will open your eyes to what makesnthe Bowie one of the most effective fighting knives.
 
If you want the best fighting knife, get one the anniversary or limited editions Gerber Mark IIs.

I had a look at them.

That Gerber is the best fighting knife around? You can't be serious? Cold Steel's 3V dagger would slice that thing in half and then you'd be left with what's known as 2 Goobers. It's obvious you're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Have you heard of that? Have a look in your dictionary.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a meta-cognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.

But it seems that I'm suffering from it too, because the same effect can take place "conversely", whereby it's defined in medical journals that the same effect can take place in some highly skilled individuals who tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others.

So I'll try to think of easier ways of putting things in future instead of presenting a more analytical approach to any given situation than you're capable of comprehending. I didn't mean it at the time, I just wasn't thinking about it.

So a point of order on your interminable gabble: Some of us breath oxygen, and we find the mephitic fumes of your oratory a lethal challenge to our pulmonary capacities.

Now there's a swag of words you can go and look up in your dictionary.

"Ready please Mr Music." :D
 
Glad you could put into words what I been thinking for years. I would go so far as listing that under my 6th Step defects of character... The assumption that others are as capable as myself.

Equality. :p
 
You're welcome Aias. It's refreshing to see some users herein can actually comprehend some fundamental applied Physics that I present in layman's terms.

I am quite taken by the IQ level of some herein... it's a worry. LOL
 
Here are my perfect fighters... Ranging in blade length from 6"-8.5"... Cat not included.


 
Glad you could put into words what I been thinking for years. I would go so far as listing that under my 6th Step defects of character... The assumption that others are as capable as myself.

Equality. :p

Amigo, I've said it before... you need to keep away from DEEP hollows on fighters with wide-grindlines

Bacon... we can't have dual edged knives here, you know that. So daggers are out of the question. But whether they're illegal or not, you don't need an offensive knife when we seek a defensive one.
 
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In my opinion if I had to use a fighting knife pure fighting knife. I would go for my Ken Richardson . Bowie knife
pretty nice spring steel with a razor sharp back Edge. But the handle material is made out of deer horn. But it's the sharpest knife in my tool shed. You can get them at blank Pro Shops. You can fill in the blank.
 
The Gurkhas have convinced me it is a Khukuri. But if I have to go with a "Bowie type" as a Texan I would pick my scrapyard SOD or Dogfather.
 
Love the Brend handle on the 14 blade.
 
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