Real and fake knives

Counterfeiting is cowardly and weak. But let's face the fact that the knife industry has perpetuated and accellerated the trend of Chinese knockoffs by investing more and more in production infrastructure there to produce "budget line" knives. It has highlighted a market niche to any scoundrel who may want to counterfeit and, combined with some research on the net and sites like this, the bad guy knows what people want and where to knock one off without the hindrance of patent, trademark, or copyright laws.

[video=youtube;uQl5aYhkF3E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
 
It's not worthy of an infraction, but cross-forum chatter is strongly discouraged. Let it go, because it's on-topic. But be careful with that kinda thing.
 
I think the biggest thing as far as avoiding fakes is. If its too good to be true , it probably is. And buy from reputable dealers. Paid dealers here on bladeforums ect. Fakes have been around forever. And that isn't subject to change anytime soon unfortunately.
 
personal view ,if you cant afford the real thing,wait untill you can that way you will only cry the once..
 
I don't think the current administration has a thing to do with it.
Click to expand...

Politics has everything to do with counterfeiting! This type of counterfeiting is international. The Chinese believe the old saying, "Business is War", and they're all about unobtrusive warfare. 8% of China’s GDP is due to the manufacture of counterfeit goods. The main country affected by this is the USA.

The sad thing is this is one subject the USA could get massive buy-in from the Russians on. They've lost over half their arms sales to Chinese knock offs. Their policies have changed so they no longer sell anything to the Chinese. Chinese arms sales directly influence their Defense spending (which has increased over 10% yearly at a time when the White House has made a major policy change towards the Pacific (and cut the US Defense budget 5-10% yearly).

(This is not an "anti-China” rant; counterfeiting is prevalent everywhere. The last gun show I went to, in Alabama, I attended with a professor of pre-historic archeology. His takeaway quote was that 95% of the arrowheads offered for sale were fakes.)

It’s the Attorney Generals job to prosecute international counterfeiting. The Sec State too should be perusing this issue. These are Cabinet level positions in the administration. Counterfeit goods have directly impacted the economic recovery, they are a very easy target as a criminal activity, and they are not a priority of the President.
 
Guys, this is not the place to get political. Every supermod on the forum is watching this thread and waiting for it to go south. It probably will anyway, but let's not be in a hurry to make it happen, OK?
 
I have no problems with something that is an homage or a copy as long as it is clearly branded as such but outright fakes make my blood boil. It is criminal plain and simple. Has nothing to do with nationality. The only reason that a single country seems to be producing all the fakes currently is because the government of China refuses to acknowledge the legal status of overseas patents and copyrights. Fake watches are known to come from Singapore and the Philippines for example.
I saw a guy with a table set up at my local mall this past Christmas selling genuine CRK Sebenzas for $35!
Fake Rolexes and Prada are more common than the real thing, there are credible stories of many of the world's great works of art being copies/fakes.
The only thing you can do is educate yourself, vote with your dollars and report the fakes as often as you can, even if you don't believe anything will be done about it.
 
By the way, we have a new rule in the Exchange here, as of late last night.

Fakes/Homages : As Fakes and Homage items are a legal grey area and obviously hurt the hobby, No fake or homage items may be sold on the Exchange. Noone may knowingly sell unlicensed knockoffs and counterfeits known to be fake versions of legitimate knives from manufacturers or custom makers. Noone may sell any knife known or suspected to be other than as described in terms of its lineage and authenticity.
Click to expand...

That should solve a lot of the problems. (I'm working on getting watches added to that also.)
 
I lived in the Philippines for three years..Spent two months in Japan and a month in Korea..Been to Mexico 5 or 6 times..Seen a lot of inexpensive Rolex watches and designer clothing on the cheap..Wasn't into knves back then so they were probably everywhere as well..

If you buy something on Ebay thats looks to good to be true..Your doing the same thing as buying from a street vendor in a third world country..
CD
 
Samael said:
By the way, we have a new rule in the Exchange here, as of late last night.



That should solve a lot of the problems. (I'm working on getting watches added to that also.)
Click to expand...

Thats great news Samael:thumbup:
 
I just don't understand these threads, the only thing your doing here is bringing attention and publicity to websites that sell these fakes. Before I read this thread I had no idea where to buy fakes, now I have 3 websites I can go to and buy fake knives. I don't understand why these threads are allowed to exist.

Like someone else stated, fakes will always be around no matter what, the less you talk about them and do free advertising for them the better.
 
Bunnywunny (really, man, what were you thinking with that name?), fakes are a fact of life, and all it takes is a quick Google search to find them. Better to have an open discussion about it than to bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
 
Samael said:
Bunnywunny (really, man, what were you thinking with that name?), fakes are a fact of life, and all it takes is a quick Google search to find them. Better to have an open discussion about it than to bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
Click to expand...

+1:thumbup:
 
Samael said:
Bunnywunny (really, man, what were you thinking with that name?), fakes are a fact of life, and all it takes is a quick Google search to find them. Better to have an open discussion about it than to bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
Click to expand...

Long story but believe it or not, that's what people call me! Haha. I respectfully disagree and think it's better to ignore these fakes. Just my opinion.
 
The fact that we're having this discussion (and this isn't the only place it's being talked about) is what led to the rule change I referred to. Go ahead and be oblivious if you want to; I'd rather hit the issue head-on and deal with it. Which is exactly what's happening here.
 
Glad to see the rule change. It is scary to see how these fakes have evolved over the years
 
Samael said:
By the way, we have a new rule in the Exchange here, as of late last night.

That should solve a lot of the problems. (I'm working on getting watches added to that also.)
Click to expand...

Got it. The rule has been upgraded: Members may not knowingly sell unlicensed knockoffs or counterfeit versions of knives (or any other goods)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top