Recommendations Extremely hard use

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And are you going to be carrying that around at all times? Survival situations don't just happen when it is convenient for you.
 
marcinek said:
And are you going to be carrying that around at all times? Survival situations don't just happen when it is convenient for you.
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The real chance of something like that really happening in real life while actually having a knife on ones person is slim to none......
 
If you're looking for a knife to baton with, a fixed blade of simple carbon steel will be your best best - something along the lines of an ESEE 6.
 
Ankerson said:
The real chance of something like that really happening in real life while actually having a knife on ones person is slim to none......
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A knife like that, yes. But the SAKyou recommended? That or a multitool you can always carry. I do.
 
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Yup. The folder could have been used to make a wedge to split with, or a spear to stab with.
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Likely wouldn't need to batton at all...

The hardest thing one would be doing with a folder would be making fuzzy sticks for a fire.....
 
calc said:
If you're looking for a knife to baton with, a fixed blade of simple carbon steel will be your best best - something along the lines of an ESEE 6.
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Yep. If baton with anything other than 10 series steel, the knife will explode.
 
I mean this machete is hand forged and really thick and sharp. You really think this doesnt the trick?
 
marcinek said:
A knife like that, yes. But the SAKyou recommended? That or a multitool you can always carry. I do.
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And SAK's are usually regarded as tools more so than weapons so they are more widely accepted... So a person would have more chance of actually carrying one of those....
 
I know that. Im not stupid im smart. Im one of the best by the boy scouts. I know my environment.
 
sch3ric said:
I know that. Im not stupid im smart. Im one of the best by the boy scouts. I know my environment.
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If you know the environment and know what you're trying to accomplish in that environment, you need to first expand your search for the right tool to go beyond just knives to other types. Then, having picked the right type of tool, narrow down those that are best suited toward your specific needs, skill set and price range. Also, don't underestimate the need for good ergonomics. You can have the best-built knife in the world, but if it hurts to use it, you won't use it. Lots of marketing blurbs and YouTube reviews make mention of some folding knives as fixed blade substitutes, but a hard use folder will never be on the same level as a hard use fixed blade for one simple reason: moving parts. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, after all, and on a folding knife that is the moving parts, from washers and bushings to the lock trying to keep it all intact. Personally, I considered buying a Marksman myself, but something about that lock design just doesn't sit right with me, and batoning with it seems like an incredibly unnecessary risk.

In choosing the right tool for "outdoorsy" jobs, I would work in this order: 1) purpose-built tool such as a hatchet or saw, 2) a fixed blade suitable as a stand-in for a number of typically "non-knife" tasks that would otherwise be used by dedicated tools, and a verrrrrryyyyyy distant 3) a folding knife solid enough to be a stand-in for the fixed blade that is solid enough to be a stand-in for the dedicated tool. I'm not convinced that #3 truly exists in the context of intentional use. If you don't absolutely HAVE TO chop, stab or pry hard materials with a folding knife, just don't do it. I definitely understand having a good hard use folder along on hikes, camping trips and so on, but for my purposes, that's as a backup for a fixed blade or for finer cutting tasks than a fixed blade is sometimes ideal for. The fixed blade, in turn, gives some basic capabilities better provided by the dedicated tools I would typically leave back at camp, in my vehicle, etc. (In other words, I don't go hiking with a hatchet or saw in my backpack; they are back where I would be building a campfire.)
 
sch3ric said:
I know that. Im not stupid im smart. Im one of the best by the boy scouts. I know my environment.
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And yet you batonn d with a folder with the lock engaged,ruining the lock. Then you took that folder and stabbed with it repeatedly.

You are not stupid, you are lacking a knife skills set. No knife is going to give that to you. I would have thought the Boy Scouts would have. Have they stopped teaching knife and outdoors skills?
 
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