Red Scorpion Six blade failure.

man I thought that was a serrated chopper ;) Hope you get a new one my friend!!
B~
 
Sorry to hear about your mishap savage. I hope the issue is resolved to your satisfaction.

I've got an RS6 Predator. I have only had the opportunity to take it on one trip, during which it saw limited use. I plan on using my Predator as my first-line blade on all my trips this year. I will keep mine and use it. If anything happens to it, I'll contact Aaron. I've had great communications with Aaron in the past. My faith in my knife and in RS6 is not shaken.
 
I will not disuade anyone form owning this knife.It's very well designed in that the shape makes it a very eficient chopper.I won't be afraid of using mine when it arives.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
yeah, that does look hollow ground. . . how thin was it?

I agree, that is a poor choice of steel for a chopper.
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Its a poor design for a chopper as well...

The SHAPE is good for shopping yea, but its an inapropriate steel with an inapropriate grind. Such is the problem with all the WSK designes iv seen. They all use hollow grinds and are made of brittle stainless steels.

V ground 5160 wouldnt have these problems.
 
Becks Flat ground 0-1 solves this issue as well. Thats one reason I am hanging on to that sucker :thumbup:
 
there's nothing wrong with 440 c.i've made machete's out of it and chopped all day with it.it looks like they are tempering the blades too low a temperature mixed with a thin hollow grind.no good for axes when starting with 1/4 inch material.
 
I was part of the pass-around for these and the hollow grind is not what one would call thin. True, it is not my choice for a chopper because of shallow cutting/binding issues, but it was still thicker behind the edge than many other large knives I've owned/tried. Dunno how consistent they are from piece to piece, but I don't think anything other than a bad HT is going on here. 440C is hardly the optimum choice, I'll agree, but it's not THAT fragile, in my experience.
 
mr.trooper said:
Its a poor design for a chopper as well...

The SHAPE is good for shopping yea, but its an inapropriate steel with an inapropriate grind. Such is the problem with all the WSK designes iv seen. They all use hollow grinds and are made of brittle stainless steels.

V ground 5160 wouldnt have these problems.
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well, this IS the only design i've seen, beyond the paratraxx crap, that uses "stainless". a proper heat treat MIGHT have alleviated problems with the RIGHT alloy. having them made in pakistan (sarcasm) didn't help.

there are plenty of designs, using good steels, with good heat treats, in the WSK "design" that handle just fine.

don't blame the genre for a model that poorly *copies* the original beck. especially mass produced nonsense in a nasty grade of stainless.

i currently have a 5160 based WSK, that has chopps through more than the equivalent of a few dozen resin impregnated 2x4s, and it comes back for more. heat treat. design. convex edge. handmade. not a copy.

i'm pleased that the maker will hopefully be backing up the knife, but 440 was the wrong choice for a good knife; even 1095 would've been vastly superior.

bladite
 
Bladite said:
..... even 1095 would've been vastly superior.
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I don't think "even 1095" is fair there, spring tempered 1095 is an excellent choice for that type of knife. It would be interesting to know the edge thickness on the piece that failed.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I don't think "even 1095" is fair there, spring tempered 1095 is an excellent choice for that type of knife. It would be interesting to know the edge thickness on the piece that failed.
-Cliff
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oh, i dunno, poorly treated 1095 probably would do better than 420 stainless. just guess. too soft better than too hard?

properly treated 1095 or 5160 kicks major butt. a lot of people have been enamoured of the various spiffy named steels, esp stainless of late. it takes a REALLY good stainless to do compare with a decently treated and well understood carbon steel. imho.

rust? that's why we have pork fat ;)

bladite
 
Cliff said:
It would be interesting to know the edge thickness on the piece that failed.
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No one answer him! If you do he'll never let up about how his full flat with hollow relief and full hard paring knife can cut metal and baton through wood without damage while a poorly implemented massive chopper turns out to be useless. How can we keep defending the industry for selling us choppers they don't even bother to grind, if not to say we need the extra edge thickness to make up for their extremely poor steel selection and heat-treatment?
 
kel_aa said:
How can we keep defending the industry for selling us choppers they don't even bother to grind, if not to say we need the extra edge thickness to make up for their extremely poor steel selection and heat-treatment?
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That sounds really familiar for some reason, it is as if I have heard it before.

-Cliff
 
Yeah, o1 is the way to go for these. I also do 5160 and those are tuff as nails as well. But o1 is my choice.
 
Not yet.I give em a few days and send em another e-mail.
Maybe they're pissed at me for starting this thread.:confused:
 
?? Who knows ??
It's what comes with backing a product. If your going to make it, sooner or later, your going to need to fix it. No more complicated than that. You shouldn't be feeling any guilt my friend.
 
Yep, if you market a blade as a wilderness survival knife, the one thing it had better not do is break.
 
I would really like to know where these Predators are made. Although this question has been asked several times, it has not been answered yet. Also, why Aaron hasn't stepped in to address the failure of his product?
 
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