Renewed my CCW permit what and why do you carry?

[timcsaw]

Glock 19 and a Ruger SP-101 and/or Ruger LCP.

Why?

Because I can.

 

[338375]

I used to carry various flavors of Glock, 1911, revolver, etc., always IWB. In the past several years its been almost exclusively a S&W 442 in a pocket holster. I just got tired of carrying something the size of a toaster oven inside my waistband, always making sure that my shirt didn't jump up to reveal it. A small revolver in the pocket is less firepower, but still sufficient I believe to dissuade someone from being unfriendly towards me. I can tuck my shirt in, bend over and not worry about it, and have my hand on the gun without anyone knowing the difference. Plus, a revolver is dang reliable.

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Thats a great choice... It is nice to be able to put a small revolver in pocket, as you mentioned less to worry about compared to IWB.
The revolver is a great choice as well for those that aren't real familiar with manual of arms for a semi-auto. Especially true for those that don't carry with a round in chamber .. It can be carried on an empty cylinder and all they have to do is pull the trigger.. Plus a hammerless revolver can easily be fired from the pocket as well.

 

[Melvin-Purvis]

S&W 442 or 640 .38 Spec
or Browning Hi-power 9mm
or SIG P228 9mm

Because I can, practice, shoot them well, they're comfortable to carry, and I like 'em...besides 'It's better to have and not need, than need and not have...'

 

[Absintheur]

The revolver is a great choice as well for those that aren't real familiar with manual of arms for a semi-auto. Especially true for those that don't carry with a round in chamber. It can be carried on an empty cylinder and all they have to do is pull the trigger.. Plus a hammerless revolver can easily be fired from the pocket as well.

Why in the world would you want to carry it with a chamber empty. Be kinda silly to turn a 5 shot revolver into a 4 shot for no reason. Any well made modern (post WWII) cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled completely through it's cycle. The old Colt SA design was not not safe to carry with a round under the hammer, same with the Old Model Rugers and other SA clones. Also some of the junk made both here and overseas may or may not be safe but any modern DA revolver made by S&W, Colt, Taurus, Charter, Dan Wesson, etc is perfectly safe with all chambers loaded.

 

[338375]

Why in the world would you want to carry it with a chamber empty. Be kinda silly to turn a 5 shot revolver into a 4 shot for no reason. Any well made modern (post WWII) cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled completely through it's cycle. The old Colt SA design was not not safe to carry with a round under the hammer, same with the Old Model Rugers and other SA clones. Also some of the junk made both here and overseas may or may not be safe but any modern DA revolver made by S&W, Colt, Taurus, Charter, Dan Wesson, etc is perfectly safe with all chambers loaded.

I would never consider carrying without a round in chamber.
If people are that afraid of it, they shouldn't be carrying in the first place....
You would be amazed at the number of people I have talked to that won't carry with a round in chamber.

 

[Mountainman38]

I would never consider carrying without a round in chamber.
If people are that afraid of it, they shouldn't be carrying in the first place....

That's your opinion, but it's certainly not valid for everyone. I have small children in my house, and while they know never to touch Daddy's guns, not having a round in the chamber is one more safety.

If I'm out in the woods, or an area that makes me uncomfortable, I'll chamber a round. When I get home, though, it comes back out.

Don't assume your preference is the only way to go. There are very thoughtful people who don't agree with you, and you're saying that they're not smart to do what they're doing.

Regarding not carrying a round under the hammer in a revolver -- that hasn't really been an issue since cowboys stopped dropping their guns from the saddle onto hard rocks. Modern revolvers, single or double action, from Ruger, Smith & Wesson, etc. are completely safe to have a round under the hammer. Folklore on this subject seems to take about as long to die out as the idea of spring set in an autoloaders magazine.

 

[338375]

That's your opinion, but it's certainly not valid for everyone. I have small children in my house, and while they know never to touch Daddy's guns, not having a round in the chamber is one more safety.

If I'm out in the woods, or an area that makes me uncomfortable, I'll chamber a round. When I get home, though, it comes back out.

Don't assume your preference is the only way to go. There are very thoughtful people who don't agree with you, and you're saying that they're not smart to do what they're doing.

Regarding not carrying a round under the hammer in a revolver -- that hasn't really been an issue since cowboys stopped dropping their guns from the saddle onto hard rocks. Modern revolvers, single or double action, from Ruger, Smith & Wesson, etc. are completely safe to have a round under the hammer. Folklore on this subject seems to take about as long to die out as the idea of spring set in an autoloaders magazine.

I agree with you about keeping a loaded gun laying around the house when you have small children.. That could be an accident waiting to happen.

However for people that carry concealed as a means of self defense, and carry without a chambered round, that could lead to a real bad scenario..

If they were in a situation where they had to pull their gun for defensive purposes, most people are not fast enough cycling a round to be able to deploy it.. This can increase the odds of having a round not fully chambered or even having the gun taken away from them..
There is not enough time in most situations to draw a gun, cycle around and keep focus. Especially when the adrenaline kicks in.. Things happen to fast.
So yes, I am saying that people who carry a gun unchambered as a means of personal protection are wrong.
It is nothing personal against anyone.. But if you are serious enough to carry the gun with the chance you may need to use it, don't handicap yourself by making things more difficult.
I think if you ask any of the respectable trainers they will agree.. JMO

 

[David E]

I typically carry an XD, or M&P (both in .40) for a full size Govt model in .40 or .45.

All of them ride in the extremely comfortable and fast KyTac BraveHeart (www.kytac.com)

Why do I carry? Because I refuse to entrust my life to the whim of another.

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[David E]

If I'm out in the woods, or an area that makes me uncomfortable, I'll chamber a round. When I get home, though, it comes back out.

I can understand an unloaded chamber for a house gun that has small children.

I do NOT understand an empty chamber for a gun that's actively being carried concealed on a person's body.

At what point do you feel "uncomfortable" in an area? Would you be able to unholster your gun and chamber a round covertly?

What happens when your "uncomfortable" feeling didn't happen? Or that you had it for only 2 seconds before realizing you need to be drawing your gun?

What does your training regimen include? Does it include chambering upon drawing? Would you instantly transition to NOT chambering a round upon drawing if you had chambered one 10 minutes prior?

Carrying a concealed firearm for defense with an unloaded chamber is pure folly.

Let's look at some reasons why:

It throws away one shot from your total capacity. You might need that shot real bad.

It requires 2 hands to chamber, one of which may not be available. If it's not, trying to chamber it one handed is iffy, at best.

It's slower to get the first, accurate shot off. (yes, I've seen the video of the Israeli method and while it looks fast, the first shot would be faster/more accurate if they didn't have to chamber one first.)

Being totally stressed, the action that works everytime on the range to chamber a round may not be executed properly, and the gun may jam.

Most people cite "safety" as their reason for carrying a gun with an empty chamber. Sometimes, they mean that if the badguy takes their gun away from them, they'll have time to either run or wrestle the gun back. To those I say, get some training in gun retention techniques.

Others say they don't think that their particular gun is safet to carry chamber loaded. To those people I say, carry a gun that you DO feel safe with that's ready to go from the holster.

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[Absintheur]

Before everyone gets too carried away read the initial post about leaving the chamber under the hammer empty. The gun referred to was a 442 which is a hammerless revolver. Leaving the chamber empty does not provide any additional safety at all in that case.

Yes with children in the house and the firearm unattended it is a different matter. When my daughter was young I kept an Astra 600 in a safe box. (mine worked flawlessly with 38Super) The magazine was loaded but the chamber empty and the hammer was tripped (internal hammer). If you have ever handled one of these you know that it take a man and a small mule to work the action with the hammer down. Every so often I would have her try any way she could to work the action, she was 14 before she was finally able to and by then I wasn't concerned about it any more...just curious.

If you are not comfortable with a semi-auto cocked and locked then buy something DA, but leaving a chamber empty in a carry gun while carrying it is kinda silly. And of course if it is laid down in a home no longer under your control it should be inaccessible or unloaded if you have children.

Of course if you are the owner of a Raven, Bryco, or Jennings don't put any ammo in it...lol. Sell it and buy a cheap 38, even something like the EAA Windicator is far superior.

 

[Simon520]

I had a California CCW for 4 years.

I got sick of paying those thieving bastards to allow me to exercise what I consider a right.

Word got around, unfortunately because one of the persons I asked for a personal reference (you need 3) blabbed about it.

So everyone still thinks I run around with a gun. Works for me. Keeps them on their toes.

ON my permit were 3 guns: Glock 20, Glock 26, and a Kimber Ultra CDP-II .45 compact.

 

[David E]

Before everyone gets too carried away read the initial post about leaving the chamber under the hammer empty. The gun referred to was a 442 which is a hammerless revolver. Leaving the chamber empty does not provide any additional safety at all in that case.

Yes, I know.

I was amplifying the point of carried a firearm on your person with an empty chamber.

It is amazing what/why some people do what they do !!

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[tortoise]

...The gun referred to was a 442 which is a hammerless revolver. Leaving the chamber empty does not provide any additional safety at all in that case.

I think the 442 does have a hammer, it's just that it's fully enclosed.

-Like the 642 that I carry in a Nemesis pocket holster. FBI load, NYCLADs.

Love it.

On duty it's a Glock 19, occasionally with a Glock 26.

Why? Because someone has to stand between the good people and those who would do them harm, and sometimes that somebody best be a man with a gun.

 

[StuntDouble]

For me it's between a Walther P99QA or a Bersa Thunder.380CC. I think I might try to find something to split the difference between the two of them though.

As for why, I value my life and my girlfriend's life over that of someone trying to do us harm.

 

[bae]

When not carrying a gun, I'll have at least a J-frame, or a Walther PPS, or a Ruger LCP, or a Glock 26, depending on what I'm wearing/where I'm going.

Otherwise I'll carry a Glock 20, 29, or 19, or a S&W 327 in addition to whichever mouse gun I have along.

As to why, well, I'd sure feel stupid knowing I had a gun locked up in the safe at home when I needed one.

 

[Robert H]

ON my permit were 3 guns: Glock 20, Glock 26, and a Kimber Ultra CDP-II .45 compact.

You had to enumerate the specific weapons on the permit?

How bizarre.

I carry a 340 S&W in my pocket at all times, and wear my XD .45 in a shoulder rig when weather permits, and it's that time of year again.

Why?

Because I can. I also pack a long gun in the car. Currently a custom 45-70 guide gun with a 6 round magazine, Hornady 325 grain lever revolutions, and a Burris 2x heavy plex scout scope.

 

[tirod3]

This is so true, there are so many people who shouldn't granted a permit to begin with, people who buy a gun, get a permit and through inexperience or stupidity either hurt or kill themselves or some innocent bystander.

Fortunately, the stats are actually a whole lot better than that. The police are twice as likely to shoot the wrong person as a CCW. Download GunFacts for an eyeopening view of what is really going on.

Unfortunately, there are stats. Some innocent people do get shot. But it has gotten a lot better. If I may be so cold, the cost/benefits ratio is worth it. 2 million criminal actions are stopped every year, many that would end up in serious injury or death to an unarmed victim. The judicial system is cocked and locked to punish those who fail to understand what constitutes valid use of lethal force - probably to an extreme. Massad Ayoob and others make a living testifying in their defense.

At least gun incidents don't rank in the top ten causes of death. Vehicle accidents and medical malfeasance do - not much noise for advanced training for drivers, or tightened hospital procedures. My state still won't ban use of cell phones while driving.

There are nuts and newbs in almost every hobby. If we had more local ranges, instead of opposition to them, it sure would help. Then we could have more training.

I'm waiting for someone to load the FATS training scenarios on a server to tap with a Wii for personal in-home refreshers. Even Mom could "play", and that 60" HD could be really useful for something.

 

[timcsaw]

I'm waiting for someone to load the FATS training scenarios on a server to tap with a Wii for personal in-home refreshers. Even Mom could "play", and that 60" HD could be really useful for something.

So.... Where is it? Gimmy gimmy gimmy!

 

[Absintheur]

Fortunately, the stats are actually a whole lot better than that. The police are twice as likely to shoot the wrong person as a CCW. Download GunFacts for an eyeopening view of what is really going on.

Unfortunately, there are stats. Some innocent people do get shot. But it has gotten a lot better. If I may be so cold, the cost/benefits ratio is worth it. 2 million criminal actions are stopped every year, many that would end up in serious injury or death to an unarmed victim. The judicial system is cocked and locked to punish those who fail to understand what constitutes valid use of lethal force - probably to an extreme. Massad Ayoob and others make a living testifying in their defense.


There are nuts and newbs in almost every hobby. If we had more local ranges, instead of opposition to them, it sure would help. Then we could have more training.

Well said, I would point out that in most states that have instituted a CCW system that requires a training course be completed, accidents with firearms has normally decreased. Also in every state that has added a CCW system crimes against people has also decreased.

 

[button]

I carry a .32 Beretta Tomcat and/or a switchblade,both legal here in sunny Florida.