Respect for this forum.

Tai Goo said:
I think the reason so many of the big name makers have left is because it's like a famous gunslinger walking down main street Tombstone back in the old days... Every punk kid with a gun (or computer in this case) wants to be the one to shoot you down and make a name for himself.

It's not so much the repetitive questions to blame, as the jealousy.
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Says the man with a couple bullet holes in his hat....lol

Duck....Tai....Duck!
 
I'm in the same thought at Tai here. I think on some of these Internet forums, you build a forum the way you want it to be and you try to somewhat control what happens there. This forum is moderated by 2 people. 2 people who have full time lives outside of this forum too. From what I can tell, this is THE MOST active knife making board on the Internet. I believe that 2 moderators is not enough. (this in no way dings our 2 moderators).

I'm not sure if all "senior" makers should have rights above the rest, but maybe a few of them should. I used to run an ammunition reloading site 10+ years ago. It was mostly a very active forum. There was no way I could control it my self and keep the tone/language/attitude the way I wanted it. I appointed a few moderators that were happy to help out, and the site kept running nicely.

I think if there were more people to moderate, you could have the "rules" followed more closely. Threads would be locked sooner. Dirtbags, like we have seen in this thread would have their posts outright deleted or modified. As it stands, I think Sterling's last post should be deleted for being offensive and I'm guessing that's against the rules. At least the f-bombs should be scratched out.

This forum is an amazing place. I hold deep respect for the talented people here who are willing to help us new makers. I hope the tradition of this site continues.

Again, no offense to our 2 moderators!


Tai Goo said:
I think knifemakers with over 30 years of professional experience should have "special powers" on the forum... same as moderators. :)

That would cut down on some of the noob lip, and make this place more appealing to the really experienced makers like me. :)
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I don't think moderation is the issue, dperk. Most of the problems we are discussing fall within forum rules. My moderator status is limited outside of W&SS but I can still infract and ban anywhere on the site (your welcome, sterling) I just can't do the other fun stuff like edit or change your profile name to "Les Smart" or sumpin. The blatent spammers and trolls are not the problem. It's the folks who continually walk the line that cause the most damage.... and the only thing that can put an end to that is if the rest of the members say "That's enough!" and police themselve's. Stacy pleaded with us in a thread not too long ago about the very same thing.
 
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dperk said:
I think Sterling's last post should be deleted for being offensive and I'm guessing that's against the rules.
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The only thing you can do is to add this individual (trying to stay polite here) to your ignore list. Even if he has been banned (Thanks Rick). I did, if just not to come across one of his old post and more importantly as a sign of respect for Frank.
 
AVigil said:
Says the man with a couple bullet holes in his hat....lol

Duck....Tai....Duck!
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I may be full of bullet holes,... but I keep coming back for more.

I really don't come here for flattery or verbal abuse,... it's just a habit, like reading the morning paper. So far I don’t think any of it has hurt me,… or helped me much, so I'll probably be back. Not ready to retire yet.

As long as I've been at knifemaking, I still do learn a few things reading this board. Not that much really, but enough to make it worth it. :)

... I volunteer to help Stacy moderate. :)
 
I try real hard to take the high road..Argueing on the net over a keyboard is wasted energy to me. Ive have taken extra shop time to document processes on forge welding or making hawk heads before just to have someone who just learned to weld a damascus billet in a gas forge tell me Im doing it wrong..99% of the time I just dont pay attention, laugh and go on..Every so often it does get inder my skin..
This is a great site and for the most part folks mind thier manners I think..Just look over the 1 year grand master veterans, they always play themselves out eventually..
 
Rick Marchand said:
I don't think moderation is the issue, dperk. Most of the problems we are discussing fall within forum rules. My moderator status is limited outside of W&SS but I can still infract and ban anywhere on the site (your welcome, sterling). The blatent spammers and trolls are not the problem. It's the folks who continually walk the line that cause the most dammage.... and the only thing that can put an end to that is if the rest of the members say "That's enough!" and police themselve's. Stacy pleaded with us in a thread not too long ago about the very same thing.
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Absolutely.
I am usually not even annoyed about the thousandth "I want to make a knife out of this welding steel I just bought at WalMart how do I heat treat" type newbie thread, usually we can get them to believe us that maybe they should get something that can be hardened after 5 or 6 of us suggest that, and the Count drops his standard reply to new posters into the thread (Count that is a brilliant contribution to the information dissemination on this forum) Every once in a while I can get a little terse in my response, but that depend on time/mood. There are a couple of really knowledgeable ABS Mastersmiths who used to contribute a lot of really great info that left because as soon as they posted anything one of the trolls would pop up and spooge all over the thread, and they got tired of having the trolls shout down any technical information they were trying to communicate. I am asked from time to time by some of the good folks who have left why I still spend so much time trying to help out here when obviously good useful technical information is not valued, to which I respond "Someone has to do it, there are still folks coming here who are honestly searching for good information"

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Is it just me, or does the questioning / not searching enough thing go in cycles too? I haven't been here that long but it seems like we've already been through a couple just in that short time.
 
I for one meant no disrespect to folks that are rar'in to go and ask the question that was just answered yesterday - we all can skip over it if desired. It's those that argue what they don't know, or those that answer the other noobs' question with authority "leafsprings are D2 and O1".
 
sunshadow said:
What bugs me is when you get a noob who has made less than 20 blades from raw steel to finished knife, latches onto a couple ideas and suddenly becomes the troll who has to argue about everything, starts pointless rhetorical threads, near as I can tell merely to see their name in phosphors and get their postcounts up, and develops an attitude like they own the darn place.
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It wasn't done with much fanfare, but BMK Bush Monkey has been escorted out the door recently.
It just took a while


sunshadow said:
I am usually not even annoyed about the thousandth
"I want to make a knife out of this welding steel I just bought at WalMart how do I heat treat" type newbie thread, usually we can get them to believe us that maybe they should get something that can be hardened after 5 or 6 of us suggest that, and the Count drops his standard reply to new posters into the thread (Count that is a brilliant contribution to the information dissemination on this forum)

There are a couple of really knowledgeable ABS Mastersmiths who used to contribute a lot of really great info that left because as soon as they posted anything one of the trolls would pop up and spooge all over the thread, and they got tired of having the trolls shout down any technical information they were trying to communicate.

I am asked from time to time by some of the good folks who have left why I still spend so much time trying to help out here when obviously good useful technical information is not valued, to which I respond "Someone has to do it, there are still folks coming here who are honestly searching for good information"

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Thanks Page
I tried to put together the kind of thing I was looking for when I first came here.
I don't know it all either, so I welcome suggestions on inclusions for that reply.

Just like life, this forum is a war of attrition.
From all my time spent watching old movies, I have to believe that eventually good will triumph over evil.

Mods can't read every single post in a timely manner, but if members report posts that deserve it- they are always looked at and acted upon if required.


When I first came here, I read EVERY archived and active post before I ever posted.
I definitely noticed a cyclical pattern of questions and turnover in people.
I was also easy to spot the truly knowledgeable and helpful members.

It is a real shame when one member, or group can shout down another and drive them away.
The pro science & anti science debate seems especially sensitive.

I hope that some of those who have left will return again.




Tai, please stop volunteering to be a mod.
Yes it's a little funny, but if you're serious - it seems to me that you are missing the sense of balance and restraint it takes to be a good one..
 
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Nothing someone else says or asks can hurt you,… unless you let it.

If you shoot yourself in the foot. It's your own fault. :D

We actually qualify the nonsense by responding to it,... but I guess we must feel it‘s our responsibility to set the record straight. Only problem is, no two of us agrees on everything.

It’s just the nature of the beast.
 
Repetitive questions are always going to pop up, regardless of how many stickies are posted.

They don't really bother me because the person usually seems sincere.

The problem is people asking questions designed solely to cause strife or promote agendas.
 
12345678910, whoever you are?

"The pro science & anti science debate seems especially sensitive."

There is no such thing. That's ridicules! Although, there may be some different approaches to science, interpretations and applications of the facts,... various governing philosophies etc.

There is no singular definitive "scientific approach" to knifemaking. That's a sham.

I think maybe you meant, "anti-scientism"...
 
Tai Goo said:
12345678910, whoever you are?

"The pro science & anti science debate seems especially sensitive."

There is no such thing. That's ridicules! Although, there may be some different approaches to science, interpretations and applications of the facts,... various governing philosophies etc.

There is no singular definitive "scientific approach" to knifemaking. That's a sham.

I think maybe you meant, "anti-scientism"...
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Tai Goo said:
We actually qualify the nonsense by responding to it,... but I guess we must feel it‘s our responsibility to set the record straight. Only problem is, no two of us agrees on everything.
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I agree you make a really good point here.

Use whatever terms or wording that suits you.
I'm sure you know which discussions I mean.


Like I said,it's a sensitive topic.
 
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All I remember is someone saying, "It's science vs science".

I'm not sure which side I'm on yet! LOL

... I love science. :)
 
What I really LOVE about knifemaking,... is there's so MANY different SCIENCES at play!… all at one time. :)
 
I have had a busy day,..... I go away from the screen for a few hours....and all heck breaks loose.

Thanks for taking care of that, Esav.

I really wish more people would use the ignore button. If everyone put the two or three main culprits on "Ignore" their threads would just roll away. It is the fact that you all keep it alive that makes the moderation so difficult.

When you see an babbling idiot, with a toilet seat on his head, on the street corner, do you go over and discuss politics with him?....NO! You walk on by without comment, or go another direction. We should try and do the same here.
 
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