Rhinoceros horn!?!

One day, I'm going to get me a Lake folder. I had one in my hands at the Messermachermesse in Solingen last year, and I still regret not buying it.

I have a great deal of respect for Ron Lake as a knifemaker, even if he made a knife with rhino horn years ago.

Kind regards,

Jos.

PS. At least my favorite Ivory, Mammoth, doesn't come from an endangered species! ;)
 
Jos said:
PS. At least my favorite Ivory, Mammoth, doesn't come from an endangered species! ;)
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Jos,

If you don't already have one, you need one of these. :) :thumbup:

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http://www.casexx.com/DetailAccessories.asp?ProductCode=MAMMOTH
 
I don't use any ivory as choice.
And worst the Rhino horn... no no no.
Sorry I don't agree at all.

Cheers
 
What are the chances? Speak of the devil and he shall appear...

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"Here is a great Sierra lockback from Ron Lake with terrific engraving and gold inlay by Ron Swartley. This knife also features very rare interframe inlays of Black Rhino horn obtained before the 1976 ban. This knife measures 5 5/8" open, 3 3/8" closed, and has a mirror polished 2 3/8" blade. A beauty, and a rare collectable. Sold"
 
TAH said:
Needless to say, I hope the horn was customer supplied by a hunter who paid thousands of dollars for a license to shoot the rhino, which like it or not, is still legal in some African countries.
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Regulated hunts are one way to actually keep the animals alive.
If there's no economic incentive to keep them alive in sustainable numbers, guess what? They get poached and used as "bush meat." And then they go extinct.
Dislike it all you want, but to quote South Park "we have to kill animals or they will die."
Counterintuitive but true.
 
brokenspearpoint said:
And mother of pearl belongs in the ocean, and mammoth ivory belongs in the Siberian permafrost, and wood belongs in trees, and Micarta belongs in .... I don't know what Micarta belongs in.
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Micarta is the main food of the Nauga, a type of feral pig often hunted for it's water-resistant hide...
 
wnease said:
Micarta is the main food of the Nauga, a type of feral pig often hunted for it's water-resistant hide...
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Yeah, yeah, talk all you want about yourcarta, but mycarta went extinct already, sometime during the duration of this thread.
 
Just a passing thought.....what are the chances that this thread will become extinct? Doesn't look very likely, huh?

Paul
 
I do not know Mr. Lake,,never had one of his knives,,never heard of him until today and saw all the remarks putting him down becasue of the scales he used ,,sorry but to me it seems like several here are running their mouths about something that they really have need to,,until Mr. Lake is proven to have obtained the horn illegally he is innocent,,I jsut wonder how many that have put him down have researched and even ask him how he obtained the material??,,most likely none,,from what I have read he is a fine honest person,,yes I looked him up before replying, his rep should not be harmed by flaming here,,I do not wish to see any endangered animal killed just for their horns or any other parts of their body,,,but come on guys,,do you know he did anything illegal??,,do you think for one moment that if rhino horn is offered leagally it will not be used by someone, somewhere?,,guess the point i am trying to make is give the guy a chance,,if he did anything wrong then have your say about him,,until then,,leave the guy alone,,do not buy one of the knives if you do not feel it is etical,,but do not put down, ruin a good knivemaker over something you do not even know he did was wrong,,
 
TAH said:
What are the chances? Speak of the devil and he shall appear...

...

"Here is a great Sierra lockback from Ron Lake with terrific engraving and gold inlay by Ron Swartley. This knife also features very rare interframe inlays of Black Rhino horn obtained before the 1976 ban. This knife measures 5 5/8" open, 3 3/8" closed, and has a mirror polished 2 3/8" blade. A beauty, and a rare collectable. Sold"
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Yeah. So he made TWO knives with rhino horn... so what? Probably from the same source. Are you on a crusade against Ron Lake, TAH? Just asking...

Kind regards,

Jos

PS> here's a "motivator" I made a while back, for another discussion about stag, ivory etc...

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betzner said:
Yeah, yeah, talk all you want about yourcarta, but mycarta went extinct already, sometime during the duration of this thread.
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I've been working on cloning mycarta from some samples I found in petrified naugahyde... we will grow a mycarta forest in a theme park!

:cool:

:D
 
wnease said:
I've been working on cloning mycarta from some samples I found in petrified naugahyde... we will grow a mycarta forest in a theme park!

:cool:

:D
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How ecologically sound. I understand from NOAA that those mycarta forests really clean up the air. They take in lots of carbon dioxide and pass huge amounts of biproduct oxygen, commonly referred to, on a collective basis, as Jurassic Farts.
 
Fascinating thread.....

As someone who lives right in the middle of the densest population of white and black rhinos in the world, and as someone who personally had an up close and personal close encounter with the latter species while visiting a game park some 6 years ago, I have formed a strong bond with this strange and prehistoric creature.

I would just like to update you all on the situation with these animals here. Last year they had an unprecedented number of white rhino poached for their horns inside the game parks.

These are vast areas and the local populace living around the parks are dirt poor. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an item that can fetch $40,000 on the black market is going to attract many desperadoes who will pretty much try anything to get their hands on one.

These poaching operations are slick and very hard to prevent. People drive into the game parks with a high powered rifle stashed in their cars, drive around all day until they spot a rhino and then blammo, they drop it with one to the brain, hack off the horn and off they go. Sometimes the game park rangers respond in time to prevent them leaving, sometimes not. But the rhino always dies.

Last year 18 white rhinos were killed for their horns. This is a staggering number for a species that is still under grave danger of disappearing forever. White Rhinos usually get hit because they are more numerous and less secretive than the black rhino.

The reality is that poaching is on the increase, despite every effort to stop it. And you as the educated first world consumer, can make a difference to this situation. If you ever feel that any product using animal parts MAY be suspect, do not buy it. That is how you can contribute to the shutting down of this deadly and insidious business.

The same applies no matter where you are in the world. The reality is the biggest market for this item is the Far and Middle East, where it is used for 'medicinal' purposes and to make handles for traditional Arabian daggers.

These animals are being targeted and killed for their horns right now. That is a reality. If the market wasn't there, the poachers would not risk heavy jail sentences to carry out their work. Play your part and do not buy anything that looks suspect.

Not that I think anyone here would....
 
Fascinatingly LONG thread..................

If anyone decided to actually read the entire thread, then he/she would realize everything's already been said about this issue - over, and over, and over, ad infinitum.
 
betzner said:
Fascinatingly LONG thread..................

If anyone decided to actually read the entire thread, then he/she would realize everything's already been said about this issue - over, and over, and over, ad infinitum.
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So you feel that a first-hand account concerning rhino poaching has no value? If you want the thread to die for you, then stop reading it. I think it has been very informative when discussing the utilization of materials from endangered species.
 
Buffalohump said:
Fascinating thread.....

As someone who lives right in the middle of the densest population of white and black rhinos in the world, and as someone who personally had an up close and personal close encounter with the latter species while visiting a game park some 6 years ago, I have formed a strong bond with this strange and prehistoric creature.

I would just like to update you all on the situation with these animals here. Last year they had an unprecedented number of white rhino poached for their horns inside the game parks.

These are vast areas and the local populace living around the parks are dirt poor. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an item that can fetch $40,000 on the black market is going to attract many desperadoes who will pretty much try anything to get their hands on one.

These poaching operations are slick and very hard to prevent. People drive into the game parks with a high powered rifle stashed in their cars, drive around all day until they spot a rhino and then blammo, they drop it with one to the brain, hack off the horn and off they go. Sometimes the game park rangers respond in time to prevent them leaving, sometimes not. But the rhino always dies.

Last year 18 white rhinos were killed for their horns. This is a staggering number for a species that is still under grave danger of disappearing forever. White Rhinos usually get hit because they are more numerous and less secretive than the black rhino.

The reality is that poaching is on the increase, despite every effort to stop it. And you as the educated first world consumer, can make a difference to this situation. If you ever feel that any product using animal parts MAY be suspect, do not buy it. That is how you can contribute to the shutting down of this deadly and insidious business.

The same applies no matter where you are in the world. The reality is the biggest market for this item is the Far and Middle East, where it is used for 'medicinal' purposes and to make handles for traditional Arabian daggers.

These animals are being targeted and killed for their horns right now. That is a reality. If the market wasn't there, the poachers would not risk heavy jail sentences to carry out their work. Play your part and do not buy anything that looks suspect.

Not that I think anyone here would....
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Excellent post. I hope you are right about your last comment, but I somehow doubt it. Some seem to think it's a great big joke. I sure don't. I really appreciate your first hand account and insight.

Roger
 
Ben B said:
So you feel that a first-hand account concerning rhino poaching has no value? If you want the thread to die for you, then stop reading it. I think it has been very informative when discussing the utilization of materials from endangered species.
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Hey, I have an opinion and intend to express it. The opinion is not so much about the length of the thread but more a parody about far-left leaning liberals who harp over and over and over on this same subject. I'm all for protecting endangered species, but not far-left leaning liberals who yammer over and over and over and over and.........The post was interesting, but simply more of the same. It was not enlightening, as suggested. I doubt it shed any extra "brilliance" on a subject already overworked in this thread.

And Ben B, I did not "personalize" my comments to you, as you did when you addressed me and quoted from my text. I find that rather objectionable.

As to first hand accounts, there are California Delta Smelt almost at my back door. I can see sea otters out my window with binoculars. Peregrin falcons nest within eyesight of my residence. The California condor's soaring range is directly overhead of my residence. The location where I live is a bird sanctuary. They are important, I care about them, but I don't care about hearing anything more about the rhinoceros.
 
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Buffalohump said:
Fascinating thread.....

As someone who lives right in the middle of the densest population of white and black rhinos in the world, and as someone who personally had an up close and personal close encounter with the latter species while visiting a game park some 6 years ago, I have formed a strong bond with this strange and prehistoric creature.

I would just like to update you all on the situation with these animals here. Last year they had an unprecedented number of white rhino poached for their horns inside the game parks.

These are vast areas and the local populace living around the parks are dirt poor. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an item that can fetch $40,000 on the black market is going to attract many desperadoes who will pretty much try anything to get their hands on one.

These poaching operations are slick and very hard to prevent. People drive into the game parks with a high powered rifle stashed in their cars, drive around all day until they spot a rhino and then blammo, they drop it with one to the brain, hack off the horn and off they go. Sometimes the game park rangers respond in time to prevent them leaving, sometimes not. But the rhino always dies.

Last year 18 white rhinos were killed for their horns. This is a staggering number for a species that is still under grave danger of disappearing forever. White Rhinos usually get hit because they are more numerous and less secretive than the black rhino.

The reality is that poaching is on the increase, despite every effort to stop it. And you as the educated first world consumer, can make a difference to this situation. If you ever feel that any product using animal parts MAY be suspect, do not buy it. That is how you can contribute to the shutting down of this deadly and insidious business.

The same applies no matter where you are in the world. The reality is the biggest market for this item is the Far and Middle East, where it is used for 'medicinal' purposes and to make handles for traditional Arabian daggers.

These animals are being targeted and killed for their horns right now. That is a reality. If the market wasn't there, the poachers would not risk heavy jail sentences to carry out their work. Play your part and do not buy anything that looks suspect.

Not that I think anyone here would....
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Thank you, Please allow me to second you, though I don't have the first hand knowledge. I am not sure that those joking about this subject really affect it in any way, none of us really will have a chance to use or not use the material. It just doesn't come around.
 
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