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- Thread starter Bailey Bradshaw
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timcsaw
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I can't wait to see the finished product! So far it looks excellent... I wish I had the time and skills you show here...
This is my favorite plinker... a day or night, skunk killin' machine!:thumbup:
I was bored one long winter and decided to turn my standard Ruger 10/22 into an FN P-90 (I now refer to it as my FN P-10/22)
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Black walnut furniture, 2X red dot scope, laser, and light and plenty of 50 round mags. Building the mechanicals to remote the trigger and other controls was the real challenge. I added the flash suppressor to give it the inch it needed to be of legal length! I also equipped it with a removable cheek comb with brass catcher (removed for the pictures).
Shoots like a dream!
I built it without modifiying the original works, so that I can pop out the action/BBL and stick it into an original stock... if I feel like going back to the boring old Ruger 10/22.
My Glock 19 with LaserGrips, one of my favorite Kershaws, and one custom I built with the blue and white turquoise inlays (wood is birds eye maple and redwood lace wood).
FUN, FUN, FUN!!
This is my favorite plinker... a day or night, skunk killin' machine!:thumbup:
I was bored one long winter and decided to turn my standard Ruger 10/22 into an FN P-90 (I now refer to it as my FN P-10/22)
. Black walnut furniture, 2X red dot scope, laser, and light and plenty of 50 round mags. Building the mechanicals to remote the trigger and other controls was the real challenge. I added the flash suppressor to give it the inch it needed to be of legal length! I also equipped it with a removable cheek comb with brass catcher (removed for the pictures).
Shoots like a dream!
I built it without modifiying the original works, so that I can pop out the action/BBL and stick it into an original stock... if I feel like going back to the boring old Ruger 10/22.
My Glock 19 with LaserGrips, one of my favorite Kershaws, and one custom I built with the blue and white turquoise inlays (wood is birds eye maple and redwood lace wood).
FUN, FUN, FUN!!
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Joss,
Do you have an interest in a set of the plans? It is all my own design, and if you have a cad program, I can e-mail you the drawing.
The steel used for the receiver and monoblock (where the barrel will go in) is 4140 and will be heat treated to 40-42rc. Other parts are various materials, 5160, 440c and L-6.
I was thinking this morning about my next project gun build. No reason a .17HMR double rifle couldn't be made out of damascus. It's not like the little rounds are going to stress the reciever at all.
That one might be a marketable product!!
Do you have an interest in a set of the plans? It is all my own design, and if you have a cad program, I can e-mail you the drawing.
The steel used for the receiver and monoblock (where the barrel will go in) is 4140 and will be heat treated to 40-42rc. Other parts are various materials, 5160, 440c and L-6.
I was thinking this morning about my next project gun build. No reason a .17HMR double rifle couldn't be made out of damascus. It's not like the little rounds are going to stress the reciever at all.
That one might be a marketable product!!
jdm61
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Now that's just funky. Looks like something that somebody might make in PeshwarI can't wait to see the finished product! So far it looks excellent... I wish I had the time and skills you show here...
This is my favorite plinker... a day or night, skunk killin' machine!:thumbup:
I was bored one long winter and decided to turn my standard Ruger 10/22 into an FN P-90 (I now refer to it as my FN P-10/22)
Black walnut furniture, 2X red dot scope, laser, and light and plenty of 50 round mags. Building the mechanicals to remote the trigger and other controls was the real challenge. I added the flash suppressor to give it the inch it needed to be of legal length! I also equipped it with a removable cheek comb with brass catcher (removed for the pictures).
Shoots like a dream!
I built it without modifiying the original works, so that I can pop out the action/BBL and stick it into an original stock... if I feel like going back to the boring old Ruger 10/22.
My Glock 19 with LaserGrips, one of my favorite Kershaws, and one custom I built with the blue and white turquoise inlays (wood is birds eye maple and redwood lace wood).
FUN, FUN, FUN!!
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Nice little 10/22! I have one of thier "Race rifles" and can pick little chuncks of clay pigions off the bank at 100yrds.
On a side note and talking about engraving...and 10/22s Do a search on the 5 millonth 10/22. A good friend (and old boss) did all the engraving...awsome!
(Sorry for the slight highjack Bailey)
Building a gun like yours seems very interesting...I wouldn't mind a set of your plans Bailey. I know a guy a few towns over who loves building single shots and all kinds of fun suff. He helped me re-barrel my '03...he's old school machine guy and knows his sh*t, my head was spinning by the end of the day. Tried to suck up as much info as I could from him...hope to learn more too. Last time I saw him he was making a bolt action .50 he based it off a 1917 and scaled it up like six times. Fantastic work.
Anyway...Thanks for sharing this with us!:thumbup:
Mace
On a side note and talking about engraving...and 10/22s Do a search on the 5 millonth 10/22. A good friend (and old boss) did all the engraving...awsome!
(Sorry for the slight highjack Bailey)
Building a gun like yours seems very interesting...I wouldn't mind a set of your plans Bailey. I know a guy a few towns over who loves building single shots and all kinds of fun suff. He helped me re-barrel my '03...he's old school machine guy and knows his sh*t, my head was spinning by the end of the day. Tried to suck up as much info as I could from him...hope to learn more too. Last time I saw him he was making a bolt action .50 he based it off a 1917 and scaled it up like six times. Fantastic work.
Anyway...Thanks for sharing this with us!:thumbup:
Mace
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DANG!!! The 1917 is far and away the biggest miltary action ever produced. You can put the big rounds like the Rigby and maybe the .505 Gibbs in a modded 1917.!!! How big was that .50?!?!?!?!?!!?!?Nice little 10/22! I have one of thier "Race rifles" and can pick little chuncks of clay pigions off the bank at 100yrds.
On a side note and talking about engraving...and 10/22s Do a search on the 5 millonth 10/22. A good friend (and old boss) did all the engraving...awsome!
(Sorry for the slight highjack Bailey)
Building a gun like yours seems very interesting...I wouldn't mind a set of your plans Bailey. I know a guy a few towns over who loves building single shots and all kinds of fun suff. He helped me re-barrel my '03...he's old school machine guy and knows his sh*t, my head was spinning by the end of the day. Tried to suck up as much info as I could from him...hope to learn more too. Last time I saw him he was making a bolt action .50 he based it off a 1917 and scaled it up like six times. Fantastic work.
Anyway...hanks for sharing this with us!:thumbup:
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I agree wholeheartedly. Here's a shot of the two rimmed European 7mm rounds. The 7x65R has capabilities far beyond what the paper would lead you to believe.
These things are a handloader's dream. The case necks are soooo long. With a non-magazine action, you get a lot more choice with bullet length, too.
Notice the two vastly different bullet designs available from Sellier & Bellot. The 7x57R has a 139 grain soft point, which is pretty standard for a 7mm. The 7x65R has a 173 grain soft point - cutting edge. You can infer just how much further into the case the large one goes. The bullet shoulder ("cutting edge" per S&B) you see acts both as a wadcutter and a core retention element. This bullet has tremendous sectional density and will shoot through just about anything.
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I considered the 7X65R as well, and the bullet atop the '65R case is very interesting. I would like to see one after it has been recovered to show it's expansion and retention properties.
I ended up settling on the 7X57R for several reasons. First, it is a classic for the ages. It has history in many forms, most notably as Mr. Bell's choice to take elephant!! If there is a question of fire power vs. shot placement, Mr. Bell weighs heavy for the placement argument.
Second is the light recoil. I enjoy shooting, not taking a pounding. I have a .300 Weatherby mag Ruger no1 that I can shoot about 10 times and then loose trigger control from anticipating. Two Aleeve the next day to get my shoulder loose and I think.....why did I do that?
Third is the lower pressure that gives me a safe round to test my action on, while still a good performer.
Ammo is available and not over priced, probably the most available of the European rounds.
I have lots of feral hogs on my land, and that is what this rifle will primarily be used for. I configured the stock dimensions after my shotgun ( it fits me perfectly, I can mount it and not have to move my head at all to acquire the sight plane)for the inevitable off hand shot that always presents itself. That's another reason I am going with open sights.
I've really been thinking on the little damascus actioned double rifle. That would send the local squirrel population into defcon red!! I actually have the action plans in the works. It's basicly the same action reduced 25% and configured with as an underlever snap action. The receiver hight will only be 1.3". I LOVE small frame, well balanced doubles. There is no other feeling like them.
I ended up settling on the 7X57R for several reasons. First, it is a classic for the ages. It has history in many forms, most notably as Mr. Bell's choice to take elephant!! If there is a question of fire power vs. shot placement, Mr. Bell weighs heavy for the placement argument.
Second is the light recoil. I enjoy shooting, not taking a pounding. I have a .300 Weatherby mag Ruger no1 that I can shoot about 10 times and then loose trigger control from anticipating. Two Aleeve the next day to get my shoulder loose and I think.....why did I do that?
Third is the lower pressure that gives me a safe round to test my action on, while still a good performer.
Ammo is available and not over priced, probably the most available of the European rounds.
I have lots of feral hogs on my land, and that is what this rifle will primarily be used for. I configured the stock dimensions after my shotgun ( it fits me perfectly, I can mount it and not have to move my head at all to acquire the sight plane)for the inevitable off hand shot that always presents itself. That's another reason I am going with open sights.
I've really been thinking on the little damascus actioned double rifle. That would send the local squirrel population into defcon red!! I actually have the action plans in the works. It's basicly the same action reduced 25% and configured with as an underlever snap action. The receiver hight will only be 1.3".
I LOVE small frame, well balanced doubles. There is no other feeling like them.
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Bailey, This gun is a work of creativity, genious and art for sure. That action took some serious work even with skill and the tools needed. Its not for the faint of heart. Thanks for sharing it and please keep the thread alive to the end. You never cease to amaze me.
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OH Yeah! I'm In Love!!! Nothing like a fine Single or double.
A little .17 sounds Sweet!!!
Mike Lovett
A little .17 sounds Sweet!!!
Mike Lovett
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Bailey, for an "American" double rifle how about doing it in .348 or .405 Winchester? For a "modern" choice .450 or .500 Alaskan would be fun.
That is damned nice wood. Do you have enough for a knife grip to match the rifle?
Dino in Reno
That is damned nice wood. Do you have enough for a knife grip to match the rifle?
Dino in Reno
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For a double I think the 450 Alaskan (or the 500 Alaskan) would be ideal. Originally created as a wildcat for the Winchester 71 by Harold Johnson, it is the largest of the US rimmed cartridges and the brass for both is now commercially available. This round was made specifically to take down Kodiak Bears in the Northwest. I reload my 450 to launch a 500 grain at 2100fps and it shoots extremely well. The cartridge itself seems to be inherently accurate at mine has shot every load I have tried well. I see nothing wrong with the European calibers but an American made rifle should have a truly American cartridge.
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There is the American made issue, but I am all about nostalgia and am aiming at going to Africa someday ( sooner than later is I have anything to do with it!!!). If I build a large bore double someday, it will be either .375H&H flanged or 4500/400 3".
That being said, other than a trip to the dark continent, I really don't have a need for a large bore. I appreciate them, but what makes me weak in the knees are small frame double shotguns and rifles. At the Dallas Safari club show a couple of years ago, there was a German SXS hammer rifle with damascus barrels in 9.3X60 ( I think) by Jos. Springer. It was nice and slim, weighted maybe 7.5 lbs and balanced like a dream. Rounded action body and it was in awesome shape. Thought about trading my truck for it, but the thought of a 100 mile walk home holding a rifle allowed better judgment to get the best of me.
Your 450 sounds pretty impressive. 500 grains at 2100fps would knock over a large tree!!
That being said, other than a trip to the dark continent, I really don't have a need for a large bore. I appreciate them, but what makes me weak in the knees are small frame double shotguns and rifles. At the Dallas Safari club show a couple of years ago, there was a German SXS hammer rifle with damascus barrels in 9.3X60 ( I think) by Jos. Springer. It was nice and slim, weighted maybe 7.5 lbs and balanced like a dream. Rounded action body and it was in awesome shape. Thought about trading my truck for it, but the thought of a 100 mile walk home holding a rifle allowed better judgment to get the best of me.
Your 450 sounds pretty impressive. 500 grains at 2100fps would knock over a large tree!!
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I certainly also hope you keep us all updated on this project, Bailey. Even if this thread gets stretched over a couple years.
Your .17 double project sounds really interesting to me as well. See, I long dreamed of making my kid's first rifle myself. I like such a thing to be refined, slim, and light. I wanted the barrel to be about as thick as a pencil, and the stock/action about like a fat cigar. A true "squirrel stick". I think this might be possible now with the rise of the .17 rimfires.
I wanted my kid's first gun- the one they'd be forming so many fond memories with- to be something well made so they could still appreciate and use it later in life. As opposed to keeping an old junker collecting dust in the corner; not really used for much, but they can't sell it either for sentimental reasons...
I have a soft spot for old doubles with rounded actions myself. But my real weakness is old Drillings with such actions and nice damascus barrels. These would be my perfect upland gun, for when a coyote jumps out of the treeline while we're looking for quail. Until I can afford a nice one, I'm using a damascus barreled LC Smith. My new all- brass 12 ga hulls arrived just last night. (had lots of trouble with modern plastic hulls)
I really hope I get the chance to sit & chat with you someday at a show or something. Sounds like we might have a few things in common.
Your .17 double project sounds really interesting to me as well. See, I long dreamed of making my kid's first rifle myself. I like such a thing to be refined, slim, and light. I wanted the barrel to be about as thick as a pencil, and the stock/action about like a fat cigar. A true "squirrel stick". I think this might be possible now with the rise of the .17 rimfires.
I wanted my kid's first gun- the one they'd be forming so many fond memories with- to be something well made so they could still appreciate and use it later in life. As opposed to keeping an old junker collecting dust in the corner; not really used for much, but they can't sell it either for sentimental reasons...
I have a soft spot for old doubles with rounded actions myself. But my real weakness is old Drillings with such actions and nice damascus barrels. These would be my perfect upland gun, for when a coyote jumps out of the treeline while we're looking for quail. Until I can afford a nice one, I'm using a damascus barreled LC Smith. My new all- brass 12 ga hulls arrived just last night. (had lots of trouble with modern plastic hulls)
I really hope I get the chance to sit & chat with you someday at a show or something. Sounds like we might have a few things in common.
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Possum,
Sounds like we would have a lot to talk about. Are you coming to Blade?
I am giving SERIOUS thought to producing a little double rifle suitable for all the rimfires ( 22LR, 17hmr and 22mag). I am looking to my FFL now and working on the design for the rifle. I think there is a niche for a small rimfire double.
Don,
How do you like the .218 bee? I want to make a second barrel for the single I am working on and was thinking either the bee or 22 hornet.
I e-mailed the cad file to you BTW.
Sounds like we would have a lot to talk about. Are you coming to Blade?
I am giving SERIOUS thought to producing a little double rifle suitable for all the rimfires ( 22LR, 17hmr and 22mag). I am looking to my FFL now and working on the design for the rifle. I think there is a niche for a small rimfire double.
Don,
How do you like the .218 bee? I want to make a second barrel for the single I am working on and was thinking either the bee or 22 hornet.
I e-mailed the cad file to you BTW.
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(Semi) sadly, my personal life/schedule doesn't leave any room for things like travel right now. But, maybe someday...