Rike ripping off a Lundquist design

[cchu518]

Here's the DR Madd Maxx the first time I saw the opening mechanism amd blade from the Lundquist this DRalph was what came to mind.

 

[salduchi]

This is the one I referred to earlier. So, who stole from whom? I dunno, just asking.

 

[b00n]

This is the one I referred to earlier. So, who stole from whom? I dunno, just asking.

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How is that related to the Lundquist design?

 

[lieferung]

Just a question, where Did Lundquist get his inspiration from? He pulled that entire idea out of his rear end all by himself? What was he influenced by? Devine inspiration perhaps? Did he make anything like this before? Is it a natural progression of his existing work? Read my earlier post, Paragon Warlock by Ahville Steel looks like a much more likely candidate.

Also, what did Lundquist make? Nothing. A two dimensional drawing without speciations, mechanism, size or materials. Did Lundquist plan on making a necklace knife? No? Well then Lundquist can still make his pocket knives. Did he ever plan to produce these? No? Well he lost less than nothing. Rike it or not, Rike did all the work and created an actual object.

You clearly lack the intellect to understand the concept of intellectual property.

Here's the DR Madd Maxx the first time I saw the opening mechanism amd blade from the Lundquist this DRalph was what came to mind.

But you didn't see Lundquist's opening mechanism (in the CAD design because he didn't make the knife), because if you did you'd know he used jimping on the top much like a front flipper and not flipper tabs/wave tab.

This is the one I referred to earlier. So, who stole from whom? I dunno, just asking.

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See my original comment to you combined with my comment to cchu

 

[salduchi]

You clearly lack the intellect to understand the concept of intellectual property.


But you didn't see Lundquist's opening mechanism (in the CAD design because he didn't make the knife), because if you did you'd know he used jimping on the top much like a front flipper and not flipper tabs/wave tab.



See my original comment to you combined with my comment to cchu

Show me his patent, trademark, copywrite etc. and I will agree it is HIS intellectual property. So, who is the one that lacks the intellect to understand the concept of IP?

 

[cchu518]

lieferung no need to be a douche. This is a forum conversation and I haven't necessarily seen any definitive proof of IP ownership.

If these positions were so simple to understand there wouldn't be an entire segment of lawyers who practice IP.

 

[Lapedog]

The difference between the Lundquist design and the Warlock or madmax is far greater than the Lundquist and the Rike. The former are just dagger designs which no one has ownership of. The latter is clearly a copy with a few modifications.

I actually can’t tell how someone wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

 

[salduchi]

How is that related to the Lundquist design?

b00n, as you know all we are doing is speculating. The original drawing provides no definitive proof as to method of blade deployment. So, for me, the side opening Warlock design was just my guess at thepossible inspiration for the side opening mechanism. But we are all just guessing. And to conclude my participation in this thread, the only thing I can say with complete certainty about this entire thread topic is that, I DON’T KNOW FOR CERTAIN.

 

[lieferung]

b00n, as you know all we are doing is speculating. The original drawing provides no definitive proof as to method of blade deployment. So, for me, the side opening Warlock design was just my guess at thepossible inspiration for the side opening mechanism. But we are all just guessing. And to conclude my participation in this thread, the only thing I can say with complete certainty about this entire thread topic is, that I DON’T KNOW.

Justin says his IG post that the flipper tab is the top, symmetrical part of the closed blade.

 

[salduchi]

Justin says his IG post that the flipper tab is the top, symmetrical part of the closed blade.

I’ve never seen his post. The only thing I’ve seen is the drawing. All my comments were based on the drawing alone. Show that same drawing to 100 non-knife related people and what answers would you get as to what that is a drawing of?

 

[cchu518]

The difference between the Lundquist design and the Warlock or madmax is far greater than the Lundquist and the Rike. The former are just dagger designs which no one has ownership of. The latter is clearly a copy with a few modifications.
I actually can’t tell how someone wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

I'm personally not disputing the similarities between the Rike and Lundquist however when we are bringing in IP, there is a legal element to this discussion that is out of the depth of most folks unless they are an IP lawyer.

I'm just saying that so far I don't have any definitive proof of who came up with the CAD first and I've already seen someone misinterpret the reply from Rike from their IG account. I'm personally reserving judgement since I don't see anyone providing true definitive factual proof from either side in regards to who came up with the design first, otherwise this is just a Coke vs Pepsi thing.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

With a lot of knife design stuff, if there's no patent, there's not much that can legally be done about it. But it bears remembering that that which is legal ≠ that which is ethical. Many unethical things are legal, and sometimes ethical things are illegal, even. From what I can make of it so far it appears to be legal, but not ethical.

 

[Mo2]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BodR2znF2_I/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18rjcvbusw6dr

Rikes newest reply on the topic.

Is he just making this up?

 

[craytab]

With a lot of knife design stuff, if there's no patent, there's not much that can legally be done about it. But it bears remembering that that which is legal ≠ that which is ethical. Many unethical things are legal, and sometimes ethical things are illegal, even. From what I can make of it so far it appears to be legal, but not ethical.

Exactly. Just because it isn't illegal doesn't make it right.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BodR2znF2_I/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18rjcvbusw6dr

Rikes newest reply on the topic.

Is he just making this up?

I'm not trusting a knife made by a company that would post such crazy nonsense. Then throw in that it is a rip off? No, nope, and no.

 

[kniferbro]

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Rumor ends as a wiser

First of all, my inspiration came from one of my favorite movie star Stallone’s “Escape plan 1” in 2013. Stallone acts as an expert to escape from the strongest cell successfully. So, the Cicada came up to my mind. Cicada is the number one escape expert in animal planets. It is also one of the significant symbol of the Chinese Thirty-six strategies in the art of war. This ideas came up and inspired me to design Cicada. My drawing was done in 2016 as shown in picture. (I won’t post the design before I get the patent or the work show in market, the same way as all of the designers). Then the commercial ads of “Escape plan 2” comes up a year before the movie in theater in China.com as shown in pictures. The post inspired me more to develop my original design based on the machinery Cicada as shown in pictures. It is not only a knife, it is a live Cicada. The wings opened by the inside gear as a Drone. And you can see the head is hidden inside the belly of Cicada, and the infrared ray comes from the eyes as shown in pictures. There are couple more even complicated and fancy versions of Machinery Cicada will be shown when is the time.
It is not a surprise when people comes up with the same ideas, but sb else’s design is totally not even on the same level as mine. Personally, I hate people copy and stealing ideas from other designers. I always insist on OEM/ODM works and high-end quality knives.
Hopefully, those will help to clear up all the misunderstandings. There is no need to start a war in network. Especially, sb as a network or radio messenger or some kind of network anchor, YOU need to say something more in justice and objectively instead of “Pride and Prejudice” or even create a war.
All in all, thanks all our fans and your support! Rumors should end up as a wiser!
P.S. there are more designs coming up for our fans. Thank you all!

Sounds like total BS to me. A long convoluted story about some Stallone movie and cicadas

 

[craytab]

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Sounds like total BS to me. A long convoluted story about some Stallone movie and cicadas

Even if there is a language barrier issue, it's still blithering idiocy. I try not to give idiot thieves my money or trust my fingers to them. This seems like an obvious choice.

 

[Hackenslash]

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Sounds like total BS to me. A long convoluted story about some Stallone movie and cicadas

I’m more concerned he lists Escape Plan as a favorite movie.

 

[kniferbro]

Even if there is a language barrier issue, it's still blithering idiocy. I try not to give idiot thieves my money or trust my fingers to them. This seems like an obvious choice.

Its not even the language barrier, I know exactly what hes trying to say. This whole ordeal could be easily sorted out by providing some sort of evidence that the design predates Lundquist's or at least proves it wasn't stolen. But instead we get a wall of text about cicadas and B movies...

 

[b00n]

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Sounds like total BS to me. A long convoluted story about some Stallone movie and cicadas

Again, it seems to me as an explanation as to where the inspiration came from, glossing over the fact where the initial design came from. Sort of a "Oh Lundquists design would work well with a bug theme" thing. The only way to properly backpedal would be to say "Yes, I took Justin Lundquists design as the base for my version of it, I took it as a base for my knife and modified it to my liking. I did so without permission because I thought my design differs enough as to not count as a copy, I see now that it wasn't the case and I apologize." everything else looks just bad and like he's trying to squirm out of the whole thing (unsuccessfully so.)

As others have mentioned, legal is one thing, ethical is another thing. It's the same crap that happened with BMW and Brilliance. Where they blatanly stole designs of entire cars, and now I believe they collaborate. Probably because BMW knew they couldn't do a whole lot (or maybe BMW managed to leverage the Party enough since Beamers are fairly popular and they needed the market)

 

[lieferung]

Exactly what b00n said. The blade is what Lundquist was talking about as being pretty much xact anyways, it is blatant that Rike just changed the handle up.