RIP Grayman Satu

That is very crappy man. It would really hurt to lose a knife like that.

I actually wrote a blog post about NY's total BS knife laws last week. NYC is the only city that I have even moderately frequent reason to visit where I don't carry any kind of knife for just that reason. Even in Boston I feel fine carrying a slippy, but NYPD kinda scares me. I don't want to give them even a BS excuse to give me a hard time.
 
Sonnydaze said:
Oh yeah, like he gave you a big break.
I like cops. I don't like New York cops. One state out of fifty isn't too bad. I just make sure I stay out of there.
Hard to tell the thieves from the good guys.

I am a bit rough on the NYPD, and realize there are good cops and bad cops, and cops that are upholding the laws on the books. I just wished they didn't look so happy when they uphold it. Maybe "Rudy" Giuliani should come back, and move out some of the libs. I don't think the cops would object.
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Libs ain't responsible for that particular law and conservatives haven't been helpful in overturning. That particular mess is bipartisan on both sides.
 
That's sickening. If you can pursue the matter I hope you do, if for nothing more than exposing where that knife actually ended up. I'll bet it didn't make the bid list for the Police Auction for Children of the Poor.

You haven't had a Bill of Rights up there for 20 years though. How the hell did you guys allow that to happen....especially in the 'Greatest City in the World' ? :cool:

Not surprising. I'd never live there.
 
Was this in Suffolk County? I am from Commack and that is not the first time I have heard this. I have a friend that was cited for a knife. In any case, when ever a police officer confiscates your personal property, you should ask for a receipt. With a receipt you can then ask for the property back. You might need a lawyer to do so.
 
CJZ said:
I'm lucky all he did was take it- could've been charged with a felony for a technical gravity knife
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Yes, you are very lucky. I can't understand why you would choose to carry a knife that could get you charged with a felony in the state where you live. But that was your choice. The loss of the knife is nothing compared to what having a felony conviction for a weapons-related offense on your record would do to you for the rest of your life.

The correct and completely legal thing for the cop to have done was to arrest you. You can go and file a compliant against him for dereliction of duty and confiscating your illegal property without due process of law. Then what I would expect would be for your claims to be investigated, the cop would get in trouble, and a warrant to be issued for your arrest for the original felony which you just had to confess to while swearing out the complaint against the cop.

Only one person to blame for the loss of your knife, and it ain't the cop. He's the one to blame for your continued freedom.

As to your original question - I have never carried a knife that violated my state or local laws. I have never had a police encounter where the subject of what I had in my pocket (other than my driver's license) even came up. Currently, it would be impossible for me to be arrested in my home state for simply carrying a knife, or sword, or automatic knife, since all knife restrictions were repealed last year in my state. Nothing bladed is prohibited.
 
This's exactly why my benched adamas stopped getting a lot of pocket time (the blade weight to axis retention ratio is too low, and it's almost impossible to tighten down to where it won't flick) It's a good thing my sebenzas have a great detent. In theory, a frame lock is less likely to have flick legality issues as most non-knife people hold pretty tight on the lock bar. Up here in Canada it's a bit risky going anywhere with anything because all carry has to be justifiable to an officer based on the activity you're participating in. This is also biased by the region you're located in (small town, pretty much anything is fine, city of 200,000 30 min away and it gets touchy)
 
tacticalgearlover said:
This's exactly why my benched adamas stopped getting a lot of pocket time (the blade weight to axis retention ratio is too low, and it's almost impossible to tighten down to where it won't flick) It's a good thing my sebenzas have a great detent. In theory, a frame lock is less likely to have flick legality issues as most non-knife people hold pretty tight on the lock bar. Up here in Canada it's a bit risky going anywhere with anything because all carry has to be justifiable to an officer based on the activity you're participating in. This is also biased by the region you're located in (small town, pretty much anything is fine, city of 200,000 30 min away and it gets touchy)
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I know what you mean; I managed to tighten my own Adamas down to the point where it can't be flicked open, but it took some real effort to make it stay that way.

Something interesting for Canadians to consider... fixed blades of any length are legal, regardless of length or design, aside from push daggers and knives with knuckle dusters, etc. So I carry my CRKT Synergist everywhere, usually with my Sebenza and maybe one other folder. Although I could see my dagger being considered a weapon to some (not what I have it for), it's actually the least likely to get me in trouble with LE, while my folders, like my Endura or Sebenza could be loosened to flick... makes sense to me. [emoji19]


Edit to say that I live in a city and have had no unpleasant exchanges with LE. Most of the time they are just curious as to what I'm carrying and why. Sometimes they end up being knife guys themselves, and we get to chat.
 
tacticalgearlover said:
Up here in Canada it's a bit risky going anywhere with anything because all carry has to be justifiable to an officer based on the activity you're participating in.
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In Windsor, riding the bus with a 5 inch bladed folder was considered fine by the cops. ;)
I honestly don't worry about any of the knives I carry (generally plural), unless they can be easily flicked.

Tighten that pivot!
 
WillardCorspe said:
I know what you mean; I managed to tighten my own Adamas down to the point where it can't be flicked open, but it took some real effort to make it stay that way.
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That's why I like lockbacks. On a knife with a ball detent, if it's tightened to where it can't be flicked open, it practically can't be opened at all! :eek: whereas with a lockback/midlock/Triad, I can tighten it so it can't be flicked open yet I can still open it fairly easily with with my thumb. It's kinda like a tight friction folder at that point. Endura is good for this. Axis with lighter blades work too but on some Axis knives the thumbstuds are quite close to the frame and it's harder to get the necessary leverage.
 
If you live in a knife-unfriendly area (or work in one like I do), just carry IWB or make sure your shirt is covering the clip if carrying in your pockets.

Hell, even if you live in an area that has lax knife laws, I would still do this. The knowledge of individual police officers varies GREATLY - one of them could chat you up about his love of Benchmades while another one down the block arrests you for the same knife.
 
CJZ said:
I always hear stories about cops flicking knives open and taking them because they're cited as gravity knives. Never thought it would happen to me.

Now I lost a dear companion and useful tool

:(

Anyone ever have this happen?
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Are you in California? If so, where?
 
Goosey said:
That's why I like lockbacks. On a knife with a ball detent, if it's tightened to where it can't be flicked open, it practically can't be opened at all! :eek: whereas with a lockback/midlock/Triad, I can tighten it so it can't be flicked open yet I can still open it fairly easily with with my thumb. It's kinda like a tight friction folder at that point. Endura is good for this. Axis with lighter blades work too but on some Axis knives the thumbstuds are quite close to the frame and it's harder to get the necessary leverage.
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Agreed. I really am a fan of the traditional lockback design, but I really enjoy my liner / frame locks as well. A strong detent will do wonders, though. Most ZT 560's I've handled have monstrous detent, such that even holding the knife upside down (think reverse grip but closed knife), and swing downwards, they don't open. Yet still comfortable to open via flipper.
 
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WillardCorspe said:
I know what you mean; I managed to tighten my own Adamas down to the point where it can't be flicked open, but it took some real effort to make it stay that way.

Something interesting for Canadians to consider... fixed blades of any length are legal, regardless of length or design, aside from push daggers and knives with knuckle dusters, etc. So I carry my CRKT Synergist everywhere, usually with my Sebenza and maybe one other folder. Although I could see my dagger being considered a weapon to some (not what I have it for), it's actually the least likely to get me in trouble with LE, while my folders, like my Endura or Sebenza could be loosened to flick... makes sense to me. [emoji19]


Edit to say that I live in a city and have had no unpleasant exchanges with LE. Most of the time they are just curious as to what I'm carrying and why. Sometimes they end up being knife guys themselves, and we get to chat.
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Driving thru Canada to Alaska in an RV next month. Now I'm thinking I'll just disassemble my few blades that might be risky and lock them in my fireproof travel box. Definitely taking down the TSF Gorgon and maybe the Sebenza 21. The 25 and the Umnumzaan will probably get tightened up a bit.
 
PNWhovian said:
Driving thru Canada to Alaska in an RV next month. Now I'm thinking I'll just disassemble my few blades that might be risky and lock them in my fireproof travel box. Definitely taking down the TSF Gorgon and maybe the Sebenza 21. The 25 and the Umnumzaan will probably get tightened up a bit.
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That might not be a bad idea, since you're crossing the border. I'm pretty sure that if you disassemble your knives you'd be good to go.
 
That sucks. I've had it happen a few times always get my knife back though. I used to keep my strider smf tight so that it coulde'nt be flicked open, well the plain clothed cops tried about 20 times and finally got it to open by using a full windmill arm swing witch witch caused lock rock(it was an old knife) and he even showed me a particular grip where you hold the clip that makes it easier to pop out( I use that grip all the time now). Then I told them where i worked and he let me go...

I always wonder what will happen when a sebenza fan has a cop windmilling there knife open "stop dont do that your going to void the warrenty"

0ne time I was working in NYC had a 3.5 inch bladed fixed blade concealed in my pocket. there were two nypd on the corner and I needed to use the knife so
I pulled it out used it to cut some stuff for a few minutes and put it back, the look on the cops face was priceless but he didn't bother me.

Anyway if it ever happens to me and its a $1000+ custom I'm going to let them lock me up and fight it in court because its not a fucking gravity knife! A gravity knife is a OTF without the spring or a butterfly knife, its been proven in court that this is the definition.
 
Don't a lot of companies that make such knives simply choose not to ship to certain areas? Often when I'm on a website there might be a short list of exclusions. I figure with how restrictive NY is, most just choose not to bother shipping their anyway.

Although it's nice to know you can get those knives there, if you're into collecting.
 
whateatsrabbits said:
I always wonder what will happen when a sebenza fan has a cop windmilling there knife open "stop dont do that your going to void the warrenty"
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This made me laugh more than it probably should have. And I am a Sebenza owner lol. I use mine like any other knife though.
 
PNWhovian said:
Driving thru Canada to Alaska in an RV next month. Now I'm thinking I'll just disassemble my few blades that might be risky and lock them in my fireproof travel box. Definitely taking down the TSF Gorgon and maybe the Sebenza 21. The 25 and the Umnumzaan will probably get tightened up a bit.
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Just ship it with ups, fedex if you can. Some Canadian don't like american and some of them work at the border, don't give them a reason
 
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