RIP Grayman Satu

Just ship it with ups, fedex if you can. Some Canadian don't like american and some of them work at the border, don't give them a reason
What's interesting about this thread is I am/was literally on the cusp of ordering a Satu before leaving and was looking for this kind of info. Well, this and whether it was deemed a good beater/field folder. Now I'll just wait into I get settled in before deciding
I actually thought about mailing most of my folders. I may end up boxing most in a few separate packages, sending them to my parents and then having them mail/fed ex them once I get an address established.
From my understanding though, fixed blades are good to go. I have nothing you could consider tactical though except maybe the Ambush Alpha and I pair that with my BHK Bushcrafter.
 
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NY is crazy switchblades are legal if your hunting.

New York City vs. New York state reminds me a lot of Philadelphia vs. Pennsylvania

When you're out in the woodsy countryside, most anything goes, (except switch blades are illegal in PA, vs. them being legal in NY for hunting), it gets tougher in the more urban areas, some tougher then others, the NYC and Philly are like the gestapo, (and Philly is actually worse then NYC in their treatment of Knives).
 
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Yes, you are very lucky. I can't understand why you would choose to carry a knife that could get you charged with a felony in the state where you live. But that was your choice. The loss of the knife is nothing compared to what having a felony conviction for a weapons-related offense on your record would do to you for the rest of your life.

The correct and completely legal thing for the cop to have done was to arrest you. You can go and file a compliant against him for dereliction of duty and confiscating your illegal property without due process of law. Then what I would expect would be for your claims to be investigated, the cop would get in trouble, and a warrant to be issued for your arrest for the original felony which you just had to confess to while swearing out the complaint against the cop.

Only one person to blame for the loss of your knife, and it ain't the cop. He's the one to blame for your continued freedom.

As to your original question - I have never carried a knife that violated my state or local laws. I have never had a police encounter where the subject of what I had in my pocket (other than my driver's license) even came up. Currently, it would be impossible for me to be arrested in my home state for simply carrying a knife, or sword, or automatic knife, since all knife restrictions were repealed last year in my state. Nothing bladed is prohibited.

OP - sorry you got your knife taken, but jc57 makes a very valid point here. The worst that could have happened is a felony record. Your whole future could have been screwed up over that.

Here in California, things are crazy politically, but the knife laws here are actually pretty tame. As long as you don't carry automatic or double-edged knives, pretty much any size & type is fine. You may be asked why you need it, but if you have a good reason, usually it's no problem.

~Chris
 
Losing a knife is cheaper than hiring an attorney and paying legal costs to avoid a felony.

Don't carry knives that are illegal where you live. That goes for anyone.
 
It wasn't illegal though, right? Just smooth.
A gravity knife is a knife that has that lever switch on it, and then it just falls out the end like an OTF. Right?
 
Amen. Now if we could just get Whitmire to quit stalling and pass HB3884. I can't believe that a$$hat did what he did, and now it's another 2 frikkin years until it can "be heard" again.
OP - sorry about the Satu. Exactly how is the "gravity knife determination" made? If it's just flicking it open, damn near everything qualifies, and that's bunk.
Also, he kicked your brand new knife across the ground? What exactly were you in the process of doing? Simple traffic stop?
Yeah, I haven't found almost ANY modern knives that I can't flick open with momentum. In reverse grip almost ANYTHING is a gravity knife if you know how to do it. Sorry OP.
 
If this thread get's more political than it is we are going to have to shut it down. Remember where it was started. As it stands we are trucking over to Knife laws as this is no longer viable in GKD>
 
OP - sorry you got your knife taken, but jc57 makes a very valid point here. The worst that could have happened is a felony record. Your whole future could have been screwed up over that.

Here in California, things are crazy politically, but the knife laws here are actually pretty tame. As long as you don't carry automatic or double-edged knives, pretty much any size & type is fine. You may be asked why you need it, but if you have a good reason, usually it's no problem.

~Chris
Just an FYI, but there is nothing illegal about carrying double-edged knives in the state of California (I'm a 45 year resident of CA).

There is no mention whatsoever in the California penal code of "double-edge knives" or "blades with two edges", or anything similar. It is perfectly legal to buy, own, and carry double-edged folders, and to buy, own, and openly-carry double edges fixed-blades.

Here is a link to California's official legislative website where all of it laws (including knife laws) can be found (knife laws are under the "Penal Code"). It takes a bit of navigating to find them, but they are all there- http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml

Also, it's legal to carry automatics if the blade is under 2 inches long (CA penal codes 17235 and 21510).

And there is nothing in California state law that says a person needs to justify carrying a knife, or provide a "good reason" for carrying it.

California's knife laws are pretty lenient. And that is something I enjoy and appreciate. :)
 
Yes where did this happen??? I see you live in Nassau County, but where did it occur? I have seen this in Nassau, but it is rare. In NYC it happens many times a day with summons and arrests often the result of the stop.
 
I'm not really familiar with how LEO's test this, are they just trying to wrist flick it open or are they actually using the thumb studs, deployment hole etc? Not that I want to push my luck next time I'm in NY but theoretically if you had a flipper with a very strong detent and a thin/light blade it would be pretty difficult if not impossible to flip open without actually using the flipper.
 
Just an FYI, but there is nothing illegal about carrying double-edged knives in the state of California (I'm a 45 year resident of CA).

There is no mention whatsoever in the California penal code of "double-edge knives" or "blades with two edges", or anything similar. It is perfectly legal to buy, own, and carry double-edged folders, and to buy, own, and openly-carry double edges fixed-blades.


Also, it's legal to carry automatics if the blade is under 2 inches long (CA penal codes 17235 and 21510).

And there is nothing in California state law that says a person needs to justify carrying a knife, or provide a "good reason" for carrying it.

California's knife laws are pretty lenient. And that is something I enjoy and appreciate. :)

Here we have local ordinances covering double-edged & other types of knives, although some have been quietly done away with. However, we have several areas close by with a lot gang activity that have some pretty strict regs about the types of knives you can carry. We've even had some local politicians try to disallow the carry of screwdrivers, because a cop got stabbed in the neck with one years ago during a traffic stop. Basically, cops generally don't care about what you have on you as far as a knife clipped in your pocket - unless they've had a reason to stop you, and you look like a gang member or a thug. And some (most?) gang members here seem to go out of their way to portray the "look". :rolleyes:

Autos: I know there's the "2-inch rule" on blade length. As far as most folks around here are concerned, they consider a sub-2" blade not very handy, depending on the work they do. With the availability of one-handed openers, autos aren't all that necessary anyway; I do have an old Gerber 06 auto that gets a lot of use & abuse around the property here though. (I sometimes carry small traditional patterns anyway, so less than 2" blade length doesn't bother me, auto or not.)

I enjoy the laws here too, believe me.

~Chris
 
Yeah, I haven't found almost ANY modern knives that I can't flick open with momentum. In reverse grip almost ANYTHING is a gravity knife if you know how to do it. Sorry OP.

These locking knives can't be flipped open at all.

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For people that visit NYC, take your pocket clip off and drop your knife into your back pocket. You will not have any issues unless it is easily identified as a knife through you pants.
 
Yes, you are very lucky. I can't understand why you would choose to carry a knife that could get you charged with a felony in the state where you live. But that was your choice. The loss of the knife is nothing compared to what having a felony conviction for a weapons-related offense on your record would do to you for the rest of your life.

The correct and completely legal thing for the cop to have done was to arrest you. You can go and file a compliant against him for dereliction of duty and confiscating your illegal property without due process of law. Then what I would expect would be for your claims to be investigated, the cop would get in trouble, and a warrant to be issued for your arrest for the original felony which you just had to confess to while swearing out the complaint against the cop.

Only one person to blame for the loss of your knife, and it ain't the cop. He's the one to blame for your continued freedom.

As to your original question - I have never carried a knife that violated my state or local laws. I have never had a police encounter where the subject of what I had in my pocket (other than my driver's license) even came up. Currently, it would be impossible for me to be arrested in my home state for simply carrying a knife, or sword, or automatic knife, since all knife restrictions were repealed last year in my state. Nothing bladed is prohibited.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong and the currently situation in NYC(not NY) places the the convoluted and contradictory law at the discretion of the individual Officer. I'm glad that you don't carry a knife that is illegal where you live but the sad truth is that not many people know whats legal in that city.

You can ask 10 Officers what knives are legal in NYC and you will get 10 different answers. Their chain of command is just as ignorant on the subject which is probably why the op got his knife stolen(yes stolen). No one really knows the law there and many choose not to look into it, its easier for them to just confiscate your knife if is visible and avoid the paperwork.

*edit - I just read that the NY gravity knife law was not voted on. That law makes any knife that can be opened using centrifugal force illegal, which is of course almost very knife made today. That law can make my Dragonfly illegal depending on which NYPD officer i show it, and what their mood of the day is or how much they like my knife.
 
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Sorry to hijack the NY information with this Canuck digression, but it's necessary.

Any folders that you can flip open and lock with your wrist motion is illegal in canada - the twist is there's not limit of how many times it needs to take to flip it to get it open:

A LEO can flip the knife as many times as he or she wants to, he or she can arrest and charged you for having prohibited weapon even it may took him or her 100 flip before the knife is open and lock.

No. This is completely incorrect.

In Canada, to convict on a criminal offence, the Crown must establish "mens rea," which in simple terms means intent. The mens rea element of a possession offence includes knowledge of the nature of the thing possessed. This means you could not be convicted unless the Crown established that you knew the knife would open by centrifugal force. If it takes 100 attempts, or even a dozen attempts, to open the knife by centrifugal force, then the accused can easily and credibly reply that he was unaware it could be opened in that way. No mens rea, no conviction.

Before anyone takes that to mean that they can simply plead ignorance to any charge, the judge is not obliged to believe your fishy story. If the knife flicks open easily, you're done.

Up here in Canada it's a bit risky going anywhere with anything because all carry has to be justifiable to an officer based on the activity you're participating in.

This is also untrue. In fact, the burden is on the Crown to establish your dangerous purpose. You are not required to justify anything.

That dangerous purpose can be inferred if you're carrying something that has no reasonable relation to a non-violent purpose in the circumstances -- such as, for example, carrying a 6-inch fixed blade in downtown Calgary on a Saturday night. But you can't be charged just because you couldn't prove you had a reason to carry a pocketknife.

Sad day for our Nothern Neighbors.

No need to feel sad for us. The law here is in fact quite lenient when it comes to knives carried for non-violent purposes.

In practice, this kind of stuff is rarely an issue unless you come to the cops' attention for some other reason. The police have no general right to stop and search you and, in fact, they generally can't even require you to identify yourself unless they have reasonable grounds to believe your involvement in a specific offence.

It would be helpful if people read some case law before deciding to tell people what the law is in Canada.

Driving thru Canada to Alaska in an RV next month. Now I'm thinking I'll just disassemble my few blades that might be risky and lock them in my fireproof travel box.

Simply tighten the pivots so they can't be opened by centrifugal force, and don't bring any switchblades or butterfly knives.

I routinely buy knives in the States and bring them back across the border. The conversation goes like this:

CBSA: "Buy anything down there?"

Me: "A couple pocketknives."

CBSA: "None of them's a switchblade, are they?"

Me: "Nope."

CBSA: "Okay. Have a good one."

That's Canada: the big, bad police state.
 
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