Room for improvement?

Lorien

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I just had a conversation with a collector of custom knives, who called me up because I'm a proponent and enthusiastic member of this forum.

We talked a bit about what this forum is about, and found a lot of common ground in discussing some of the forum's deficiences and strengths.

I owe a lot to this forum and feel a responsibility to it, and may be opening a potential can of worms, but in the best interests of forward progression, (I hope).

Nothing is perfect, so everything can be improved upon. With that in mind, I was hoping to open a discussion about this forum- what does it mean to you? What do you like about it? What would you like to see more/less of and why? What are its capabilities/weaknesses? Where do you see things going?

Thank you in advance for your participation:)
 
^ I know of nothing that has no room for improvment.

The first thing that comes to mind, is I like when knives are 100% judged totally on their own merit, not by who made them, who owns them, who else likes them, whose promoting who makes them etc. etc.

I like it when someone does such a good job critiquing a knife that my opinion changes of it for better or worst because they have taught me something or made me see or realize something that I had missed. We all learn from this.
 
Everything has room for improvement but in general this place is run pretty well

Before this place I was never a forum person, but I do consider this place home

There are wonderful people here and the knowledge that flows is vast

I spend some time on some different Trad bow sites and hunting sites and they fight constantly. People get banned constantly. On another if you speak of things the owner of the forum does not like whole posts are removed

All and all I don't think people realize how good we have it around here. There will always be oil and vinegar when it comes to people but thats life everywhere and especially on Internet forums :)
 
This is a great forum! I would like to see more a mix of lower priced customs featured here. It can be a formidable atmosphere to new makers.
David
 
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Everything has room for improvement but in general this place is run pretty well

Before this place I was never a forum person, but I do consider this place home

There are wonderful people here and the knowledge that flows is vast

I spend some time on some different Trad bow sites and hunting sites and they fight constantly. People get banned constantly. On another if you speak of things the owner of the forum does not like whole posts are removed

All and all I don't think people realize how good we have it around here. There will always be oil and vinegar when it comes to people but thats life everywhere and especially on Internet forums :)

Same here, was never a forum person before stumbling onto the BF.

How about your thoughts Lorien?
 
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well, I'm obviously a big fan of this forum, warts and all.
But I do think it has a lot of potential as a more global forum.
 
I'm a big fan of bf too. I like the friendly nature of the people here. Some one is always willing to help you better your craft, donating there time and knowledge. Its a beautiful thing. People like lorine, Kev cashen, bladsmth and many others that have wealth of knowledge, seem to enjoy answering everyone's questions.
 
I like BF. Frendly for a start, so much knowledge to be gleaned from everyone who participates. Living on the other side of the globe as I do, we don't get to see such amazing and varied work as is displayed here. It's great to put up some of your work and have it critiqued by the calibre of knifemakers, collectors and the knife addicted. I'm like a kid in a candy store every time I get on here. :applouse:
Cheers Keith
 
Was the collector named Paul, Lorien? There are politics in everything. When you have 3 or more people involved in something, politics are already there. Something to remember.

I had already been actively involved in the knife community for about 15 years when I came across BladeForums.

At first, it was a great place to pick up knives that I wanted at fair prices.

I signed up and started posting because of the "kumbaya" attitude in Customs....it seemed like a lot of people were missing the point about "discussion"(that means you don't always have something nice to say, and it can be every bit as valuable if not more so than the "high fivin' yer awesomes!"). So I became a participating member....whose screen name is the year I started training in JSA....and who always signs his name, and owns what he writes. The anonymity that many Forumites hide behind is lame, imo. Be who you are, be proud of it.

I love that I have met many Forumites, and some have become friends...first Peter Gill, then later Roger Pinnock, Stephen Foster, Kevin Jones, Joe Paranee Martin Reingold, David Sharp, Mike Quesenberry....the list goes on...that's very cool, because, while I had been collecting so much longer, really didn't know that many fellow collectors. Makers up the kazoo, and a few collectors, but even though I had a retail store, been a collector for that period and attended about 6 shows a year, I have made more real friends by knowing people through this place in a relatively short period of time than all the other time.

It's beautiful that people CAN have an opinion and share it, even though many don't for whatever reason. The web in general and BFC in specifics is awesome because it does mix the seasoned veterans and newbies all in the same pot, and it is the quality of what you post that you are judged on....it's also part of the suck, because you cannot force people to learn or think, and some refuse, no matter what is put in front of them.

A really close friend asked me what I was trying to accomplish on BFC, when there was so much hostility presented to what I write, and he felt it was rather pointless. Well, to me, as a knife person, the responsibility remains to put the information out there, to share what you know. Part of it is stubbornness, part of it is respect. I spent over 10 years learning JSA and Japanese terminology and aesthetics, and am certainly not going to let ignorance that passes for knowledge go without correction, it is disrespect to an art that is over 400 years old. The standards and ideas of Western custom knives has become something over the course of 30+ years, and if I am the only one holding up the ideas of fit/finish/designs/aesthetics like a beacon, like a busker on a soapbox in the village square....fine...it's ok, because you all have the same ability....to refute, to agree, to remain neutral, to say something or to say nothing.

Nobody on BladeForums takes away your voice.

The only thing that I would change on BFC is that people get thicker skins and be prepared to defend when challenged.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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hey Steven, it wasn't Paul I was talking to, but it was a couple of Paul's posts which prompted the conversation, one of which both you and I commented on and later talked about. I love being exposed to knives like that, and it doesn't seem to happen very often- not as often as I feel it should.

I guess I feel a little 'underexposed' to the world of knives out there, and know that there is so much going on that just doesn't get seen or talked about here. All those guys in David's books whose work I never see. Of course, I'm spoiled, before 2005 I was hardly exposed at all- and really, the reach this forum has is really starting to show. Bladeforums C&H Knives could be the global 'clearing house' for building awareness of handmade and custom knives, but I'm not sure it's quite reaching its potential.

I dunno, but this forum has been feeling a little flat lately, and I know the world is a sphere.
 
I would like to see Les Robertson welcomed back. He was a tremendous asset, w/ vast experiences in the business aspect of knives. It is an unfortunate loss. i am glad Keith Montgomery has come back, making occasional recent posts.

I have learned to respect and to be tolerant more than when i first joined. My interests have never "broadened" to the extent i "get it" with damascus, but as in seeing more and more knives it has induced an appreciation of the "art" which is knifemaking.
David
 
I would like to see Les Robertson welcomed back. He was a tremendous asset, w/ vast experiences in the business aspect of knives. It is an unfortunate loss. i am glad Keith Montgomery has come back, making occasional recent posts.

I have learned to respect andbbe tolerant more than when i first joined. My interests have never "broadened" to the extent i "get it" with damascus, but as in seeing more and more knives it has induced a appreciation of the "art" which is knifemaking.
David

I miss Les also :(

But I'm glad Keith's back :)

As for people posting there work, it does not matter if they are a master or a beginner.

It's a double edged sword , ya can't expect all people to have the same tastes. If if no one says anything the maker has hurt feelings ....... If one person out of many has something negative to say than there is hurt feelings sooooo ya end up with either a false opinion or no discussion.

For example STeven and I do not always share the same opinions, but that's what makes our discussions interesting :)
 
I guess I feel a little 'underexposed' to the world of knives out there, and know that there is so much going on that just doesn't get seen or talked about here. All those guys in David's books whose work I never see. Of course, I'm spoiled, before 2005 I was hardly exposed at all- and really, the reach this forum has is really starting to show. Bladeforums C&H Knives could be the global 'clearing house' for building awareness of handmade and custom knives, but I'm not sure it's quite reaching its potential.

I dunno, but this forum has been feeling a little flat lately, and I know the world is a sphere.

Lorien, there is a Huge Custom Knife World outside of the BF but there's nothing quite like it. That being said, it's been feeling flat longer than lately in my opinion. Some of you regulars may remember I started a thread about "are we changing" almost a year ago. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/943060-Blade-Forums-Customs-Forum-Are-we-changing
We don't have the constant thought provoking, interesting and educational threads we use to have and the detailed knife critiques from folks like STeven that benefited both makers and collectors are far and few between. Now it's a lot of every knife is beautiful and perfect, "at-a-boys" and collectors promoting their favorite maker's knives.

Even though my job and the CKCA don't allow me as much time here as in the pasts, I still see it as a great place to come and talk about and share knives with your fellow knife nuts.
 
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I do feel like the site tends to be a bit argumentative. We do tend to pick on new people who ask the same questions over and over.

Moderators do a pretty good job of keeping it civil. But there will always be clashes.


I don't mind people "promoting" their favorite makers. Honestly, it is how I found many of my favorites. Because others posted their work repeatedly.


I have not been here as long, but I do notice a bit of a thin skin can be an issue when knives are posted by makers.

I also, often, find my self disagreeing with many of the opinions by older, wiser collectors.

I don't really "collect" as I simply have not devoted the funds, and don't really have them to collect high end stuff.

Some of my favorite knives have been ones that did not fare well with comments from knife connoisseur, but that is fine. I just occasionally find that a knife maker gets negative feed back about the very design features I really like. I have seen a few too many threads take a nasty turn because one poster does not agree with other, often more "senior" posters.

I do feel like my time here observing, and discussing with the "elite" has really taught me a lot about knives! (by elite, I mean those who make, and use, and collect high quality custom knives).

I think the WIP threads really give a lot of excellent resource material for me to learn from.
 
I was a latecomer to the internet not getting a mac and going online till 2005.

BladeForums was my first stop and I've never left, can't even begin to articulate how much I enjoy the wealth of information
that gets shared so freely here by the collectors, aficionados and makers.
My knowledge of custom knives owes heavily to the many learned folk here who impart their experience on a daily basis.

This forum moderates itself very well without having an active moderator, the petty squabbles usually get resolved in minutes if not an hour or two.
OK, maybe the next day. :)

Sure, there's always room for improvement but I don't know what could beat what we already have.
Thanks to all for everything you do here.

If it ain't broke...;)

Doug
 
This forum is fine.

I wish Les could still post here, but it isn't my site and I don't make the rules.

"There will always be oil and vinegar when it comes to people but thats life everywhere and especially on Internet forums" = best comment on this thread (IMO).

The comments on this thread where someone wishes other folks would be or do this or that are nonsense. People are who they are. Deal with it. Worry more about yourself and less about others.
 
No, actually a good thing, except when taken to the extreme of practically being the makers sales rep on the forum.

I totally understand what you're saying, and agree. But to play devil's advocate I see two benefits of this;
-folks who do this are compelled to buy a higher priced membership, which helps keep BF afloat w/o ads everywhere
-especially in the case of dealers, it exposes forumites to 'what's hot', what's selling etc.

I don't know if I like the arrangement of organizing the sale of knives directly through this forum. Not sure if that's what we're talking about here, but there is certainly more of that now than in the past, so it's obviously somewhat acceptable.

As for arguments and squabbling, there is certainly much less of that than in the past. But it seems to have come at the cost of less participation and discussion. How do we encourage the participation and discussion that we all appreciate, while at the same time encourage new members to participate more without having to have 'a thick skin'?
 
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