Rough Rider & Related Slipjoints

$7 postage to return a $15 knife... not worth it to me. They just end up in the trash.
They didn't request I send in the two $7.⁰⁰ Marbles I have that suffered a broken backspring. (MR278 was broken before I took it out of the hang pack. Someone in marketing decided all four blades should be opened half way when it comes with a SPORK, and a MR409 that pinged it's spring when the blade was closed, while resting untouched for a couple years in a cigar box.)
I emailed them a picture of the knife in question, they sent a new knife, and told me to keep the broken one.

Makes sense they don't want them back. They don't have a repair department, or any parts.
They're not going to ship them back to whichever factory made it.
 
they sent a new knife, and told me to keep the broken one.
I've contacted them several times on several different knives and they always want me to send the knife back for inspection.
I left a couple of bad reviews and suddenly they wanted to help me out... I said, "Too late, I threw the crappy knives in the garbage." :mad:
 
It makes me m/sad to see Acme Tools take credit for over 100 years of Camillus tradition, but I guess that is the whole point of buying the name of a company that's dead and gone.
 
If you hang out in the Rough Rider ghetto ("Rough Rider and Related Slipjoints") like I do, you'd have noticed this news about a year ago:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/rough-rider-related-slipjoints.582468/page-260#post-20423404

Some of the knives with the Queen names look similar to some Rough Ryder models, but I'm not absolutely certain they're simply Rough Ryders with a different tang stamp (and shield and bolsters). The Queen-branded knives tend to cost more than similar RR models, but maybe that's just a premium the buyer pays for the famous Queen branding.

I have a "Queen" canoe, and it's a perfectly serviceable knife. (I don't have any "old" Queen pocket knives, but based on what I've read on BF about the QC of Queen models near the end of the "real" Queen company, my Queen of China may be a better-made knife than some of the recent "old school" Queens.)
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- GT
 
SMKW has put the Queen name on Rough Riders.
It's been happening for 40+ years. Apparently it is a business model that works pretty well. Lots of guys buy them because of the name and low cost, and nothing else matters. They wouldn't own and produce knives under 100 different old name brands if they didn't sell. They aren't anything I'm interested in, but apparently I'm a minority in that regard because the numbers speak for themselves.
 
This makes me a lot less sad than what happened to the Schrade brand names and Camillus.
Yeah ... among other things like dropped models being brought back, the Swinden Key construction is finally history.
A sad state of affairs, to be sure. 🙄

After the Imperial plant burned down in 1988, with the exception of Camillus, Schrade moved production of most of their knives across the board - not just the Imperial line - to Europe.
(I understand Their "modern" liner lock one hand openers of the period were made in China.)
How is that any different from having most of the production made in China? Either way, they were not "Made in USA".
(there are a couple Schrade branded fixed blades made onshore. I don't know who makes them. Bear and Son, maybe?)

The difference can't be management, or ownership.
How many times did the management and ownership change between the time Mr. Schrade founded the company in the 1890's(?) 1880's(?) and the bankruptcy in 2004?

Can't be "not made here"/"Not made on the same machines"/"not made by the same people."
From 1988 to 2004 most of the Schrade knives were made in Europe.
Schrade bought established cutlery concerns. They didn't ship the old machinery over to Ireland, England, or Germany.
I doubt few if any of the workforce were transfered to the European locations. Doubtful any of the plant or corporate management were sent over.
That murders the "not same labor force"/"same machines" argument.
Not to mention that everyone employed by Schrade prior to 1988 is either retired and/or long dead now. Even if all production was brought back to the states in 2004, the workforce wouldn't be the same pre 1988 workforce now.

I can't speak on the quality of the offshore Camillus products, as I've never seen or owned one. To be honest, none have called to me.

I can say the BTI Old Timer and Uncle Henry stockmans, Old Timer Trapper, 4 blade Scout/Camp knife, Barlow, 2 blade slipjoint folding hunter, and 7OT are all high quality. At least equal to my '78-'86 858, my 4 pin and 3 pin 7OT, and 1990's 6OT.
 
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I enjoy picking up these RR Barlows and I just got this yesterday, have to say I’m impressed, but I also have to say it’s the second one they sent me. The first one had a bent tip. This one has a single carbon blade, no blade play, centered, flush in all positions, no shield, and no big “R”. It has good snap when opened and good snap when closing but it has a weird “half pause” that I’m sure is supposed to be a “half stop”. 😄
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I enjoy picking up these RR Barlows and I just got this yesterday, have to say I’m impressed, but I also have to say it’s the second one they sent me. The first one had a bent tip. This one has a single carbon blade, no blade play, centered, flush in all positions, no shield, and no big “R”. It has good snap when opened and good snap when closing but it has a weird “half pause” that I’m sure is supposed to be a “half stop”. 😄
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RR quality never ceases to amaze. 👍
A real beauty there. Love the brown bone stag.
 
This makes me a lot less sad than what happened to the Schrade brand names and Camillus.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet​

Made by Camillus.
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I enjoy picking up these RR Barlows and I just got this yesterday, have to say I’m impressed, but I also have to say it’s the second one they sent me. The first one had a bent tip. This one has a single carbon blade, no blade play, centered, flush in all positions, no shield, and no big “R”. It has good snap when opened and good snap when closing but it has a weird “half pause” that I’m sure is supposed to be a “half stop”. 😄
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If those had a GEC tang stamp , they'd be getting flipped quicker than hotcakes at an IHOP restaurant on Sunday morning.
 
I am so thankful for this forum. I collect Rough Ryders, and whenever I would try to post about them at "that other forum" some old coot would go on a rant and derail the whole conversation. The admins just stood back and let it happen. My hat is off to the admins here at the blade forum for maintaining a calm and respectful atmosphere where people can share about their hobbies without being shouted down.
 
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