Rough Rider & Related Slipjoints

mckgreg, i respect your knife knowledge based on the many posts of yours that i have read. I also respect my own knife knowledge based on the thousands of knives i own ranging from inexpensive imports to very expensive customs.
What you describe above does not apply to even 1 of my app. 200 RR knives.
Why do i have so many RR's ? Simply because everyone i have bought is so good and the price so low that when i see another RR pattern i like, i buy it. I would have stopped long ago had i ever received a knife like you describe.
I wonder if the knives you refer to are very early examples when there might have been a different manufacturer ?
I cannot think of any other possible explanation.
As i'ved stated before, some sellers seem to be selling unmarked seconds and these are inferior in fit and finish, but still they are much better than what you describe.
roland

Thank you! I knew if I waited, someone would reply much more eloquently than I could. :) Just can't beat the price and they have a mind boggling variety of patterns, all of nice quality. I picture workers from the factory that make these use them in everyday life. Cutlery- spreading American traditions one country at a time!
 
My experience with Rough Rider knives and their equal hasn't been good. The scales are simulated plastic and the overall feel of the knives is like "pressed into shape beer cans". What is usually considered as "Pulls" are a meager attempt to re-create a functional notch to open the poorly designed, disfigured blade by slamming a slightly harder tool into sub standard steel. The blades remind me of pewter. The producers have been able to manufacture them with less slop so that the working parts of the knife have the ability to appear tight when new but rub themselve raw if you should actually use one for a while, The scales, the simulated plastic, bone, whatever, will curl and come apart when exposed to the real world. You know, horrible things like sunlight, sweat and work. I am sure they do well in the confines of a nice little bed of cotton in someones drawer that would do well for your neighbors cat or antique photos of Aunt Mable. I recommend buying these knives for gifts that you send to people you really don't want to hear from again or are amused by cheap shiny objects that blend with your collection of ceramic chipmunks. I have a bucket load of Pakistani knives from the '80's that have held up better than the current crop of imports and do a good job of cutting bermuda grass and red dirt. I find no reason to oooh and aaah about sub-standard knives no matter how cheaply they were had but, do what you will. Personally, I have no tolerance for cheap , substandard re-creations. My 2 bucks worth.
Greg

I'm more of a Case guy than anything else but I do own a fair bunch of RR's and NONE have been as nasty as you describe. I own one RR I describe as 'crap' but that is because of a poor design and an average build quality. (rib tickler I think it was called) But it is still a functional knife, I just don't like it.
My RR's would do nicely as EDCs should I choose to use them as such, I just prefer to use other brands for reasons that are not appropriate to this thread.
Thread related pic below.

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Well I have to say that I need some actual pictures of the junk
you are referring to.
A comment like this deserves at least one good picture....I mean,especially
from someone as talented with a camera.
We will give you time to get the sledge hammer out first.lol
I'll be looking for those crappy rr pictures.
Thanks for the heads up...I was just fixing to go buy another 12.00 rr till I saw this.
May have changed my mind though.I'll wait on the pictures first....
Thanks for the post,and the honesty,
JD



My experience with Rough Rider knives and their equal hasn't been good. The scales are simulated plastic and the overall feel of the knives is like "pressed into shape beer cans". What is usually considered as "Pulls" are a meager attempt to re-create a functional notch to open the poorly designed, disfigured blade by slamming a slightly harder tool into sub standard steel. The blades remind me of pewter. The producers have been able to manufacture them with less slop so that the working parts of the knife have the ability to appear tight when new but rub themselve raw if you should actually use one for a while, The scales, the simulated plastic, bone, whatever, will curl and come apart when exposed to the real world. You know, horrible things like sunlight, sweat and work. I am sure they do well in the confines of a nice little bed of cotton in someones drawer that would do well for your neighbors cat or antique photos of Aunt Mable. I recommend buying these knives for gifts that you send to people you really don't want to hear from again or are amused by cheap shiny objects that blend with your collection of ceramic chipmunks. I have a bucket load of Pakistani knives from the '80's that have held up better than the current crop of imports and do a good job of cutting bermuda grass and red dirt. I find no reason to oooh and aaah about sub-standard knives no matter how cheaply they were had but, do what you will. Personally, I have no tolerance for cheap , substandard re-creations. My 2 bucks worth.
Greg
 
Well I have to say that I need some actual pictures of the junk
you are referring to.
A comment like this deserves at least one good picture....I mean,especially
from someone as talented with a camera.
We will give you time to get the sledge hammer out first.lol
I'll be looking for those crappy rr pictures.
Thanks for the heads up...I was just fixing to go buy another 12.00 rr till I saw this.
May have changed my mind though.I'll wait on the pictures first....
Thanks for the post,and the honesty,
JD

Weigh up the positives with the negatives too, I have seen far more positives than i have negatives.
 
Don't knock mckgreg. I believe he posts objectively. If we had the RR knives he has (or had) we'd likely post something similar. Somehow a bad batch must have come out and he ended up with some of them. That said, based on my own experience and that of many other posters here, by far and away the vast majority of RR folders are very good knives.
mckgreg, if you want, i could send you a few of mine and if you like them, you keep them.
roland
 
Don't knock mckgreg. I believe he posts objectively. If we had the RR knives he has (or had) we'd likely post something similar. Somehow a bad batch must have come out and he ended up with some of them. That said, based on my own experience and that of many other posters here, by far and away the vast majority of RR folders are very good knives.
mckgreg, if you want, i could send you a few of mine and if you like them, you keep them.
roland

Good post Roland. I couldn't have said it better.
 
I greatly appreciate your offer Roland but the time, effort and cost of mailing them to me would be better spent on a new set of shoe laces and a six pack of beer. Either one will get you further down the road than the objects you want to send. If I didn't say it in my original post, which was fully intended to do so, do as you will. SMKW is just over the hill from me and I can handle just about any new production made knife at my whim. I have seen many brands, gimmicks and new names come and go. Some get better in time and others don't. Sub-standard construction by adding a few gimmicks that catch the eye is part of marketing and can be cheaply had. If that is what people want, that is what they will buy. Personally, I have seen lunkers that won't bite on a lure just because it's shiny.
Greg
 
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sounds like he ended up with all the bad ones.
well,most of them...what luck...
Like I said,let's see some pictures.
Or did you chunk em all in the trash?
I would really like to see them....I have several,and not all are perfect....
But i have just as many or more high end knives with more imperfections
than my RR knives have.
I can't knock em,but I see others points on buying u.s.made to keep the
money in our country....only problem with that is the government will end up
with all but the price of a good RR.
They surely don't know how to manage my money.
JD
Let's see the crappy rr pictures please....

Don't knock mckgreg. I believe he posts objectively. If we had the RR knives he has (or had) we'd likely post something similar. Somehow a bad batch must have come out and he ended up with some of them. That said, based on my own experience and that of many other posters here, by far and away the vast majority of RR folders are very good knives.
mckgreg, if you want, i could send you a few of mine and if you like them, you keep them.
roland
 
greg,now that is the reason your rr knives are junk.
dude,you can't expect them to junk the good ones in the dumpster.
just kiddin,
jd
p.s.i bet there dumpster is full of goodies though....
not just for the dumpster diving,but i wish i lived that close.
reason is,i love the mountains.....and gatlinburg is just a hop
and a skip away too.
most beautiful country in the world....
 
JD. i mean no disrespect, but read my post. I didn't mention the word "junk or crap" someone else did. I also exposed my source for seeing procuction knives first hand. I don't buy things that I don't want so that I can take pictures of them to post on Internet Sites. I know of only a few that do so.
Greg
 
JD. i mean no disrespect, but read my post. I didn't mention the word "junk or crap" someone else did. I also exposed my source for seeing procuction knives first hand. I don't buy things that I don't want so that I can take pictures of them to post on Internet Sites. I know of only a few that do so.
Greg

non taken,but what you did exactly say was ptetty much junk,or crap.And your subtle way of saying yours is better pretty
much helps me to understand your way of thinking.....You don't have to post pictures,that's up to you....but until i see
proof I am just going to think that maybe your just full of yourself......or hot air....I really mean no disrespect,but what are
you really trying to say???
I think we all deserve to see at least one of these plastic scaled,simulated bone handled Rough Riders you have.....
I think it's a shame for me,or anyone to have to pay $80.00 for a knife just because it's made in my Country....
I am proud to be an American,and from the South........But I am not proud of how I have to struggle and save up just
to be able to purchase a U.S.made pocket knife so people like you won't stand back and make your snide remarks about
how cheap looking,and how it doesn't perform up to the standards of your knife....
And though I am not happy to say this.....I have lots of U.S. made knives that don't impress me anymore than my cheap
China made knives.....That doesn't say much for quality control in America now does it?

Several of your above remarks I really don't understand,but then i didn't go to college.....maybe that's why?probably not....
I really am not trying to be mean to you,or anyone....I just don't see any good from your first post....If you don't actually have any RR knives,how can you even make a comment like that?
I do appoligize if I done anything wrong,but I live in a house full of things made in other countries....But heaven forbid I
buy a pocket knife that wasn't made in the USA........It's probably the worst a man can do,or so it seems.....LOL

(My experience with Rough Rider knives and their equal hasn't been good. The scales are simulated plastic and the overall feel of the knives is like "pressed into shape beer cans". What is usually considered as "Pulls" are a meager attempt to re-create a functional notch to open the poorly designed, disfigured blade by slamming a slightly harder tool into sub standard steel. The blades remind me of pewter. The producers have been able to manufacture them with less slop so that the working parts of the knife have the ability to appear tight when new but rub themselve raw if you should actually use one for a while, The scales, the simulated plastic, bone, whatever, will curl and come apart when exposed to the real world. You know, horrible things like sunlight, sweat and work. I am sure they do well in the confines of a nice little bed of cotton in someones drawer that would do well for your neighbors cat or antique photos of Aunt Mable. I recommend buying these knives for gifts that you send to people you really don't want to hear from again or are amused by cheap shiny objects that blend with your collection of ceramic chipmunks. I have a bucket load of Pakistani knives from the '80's that have held up better than the current crop of imports and do a good job of cutting bermuda grass and red dirt. I find no reason to oooh and aaah about sub-standard knives no matter how cheaply they were had but, do what you will. Personally, I have no tolerance for cheap , substandard re-creations. My 2 bucks worth.
Greg)

I did read it again,still don't understand it...If you don't own any,how can you comment??
 
I think we need to change the topic back to the knives at hand...the China vs Domestic thing doesn't have any place in the traditional sub-forum and I'd hate to see things take the route of the other sections, I don't mind if someone doesn't like them which is their given opinion on Rough Rider (whether I agree or disagree). I really dont want to see this thread closed just because 1 person dislikes what he has gotten in the way of Rough rider knives.

The whole discourse of where they are made is better suited to the "general" sub-forum where that sort of talk doesn't fit in with the family oriented nature of this folksy sub-forum.
 
I agree 100%,so here is the one I think is my all time favorite so far that is.
They make so many grewat patterns you can't get anywhere else too.
JD

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i guess you could call it that?
i believe it's a single blade copperhead,but not sure.
i have 2 of them.
the other is pearl....
the mentioned knife came from a 2 knife set,but i can not
find the other one anywhere.
it will be gray,and have r.e.lee on the blade.

if anyone happens across i sure would love one.

jd
 
Opinions are great guys but let's keep it civil. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.
 
Here are three 4" Stag handled Rough Rider Whittlers. I paid $12 for all 3 ($4 each) about 2 years ago. They are well made yet i have never seen another one of these. Have you ?

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roland
 
those are some beautiful knives roland.
i have never seen anymore like tham either.
sorta like my single blade u.s.grant copperhead i guess?
jd
 
Roland, I haven't seen the RR dogleg whittler in stag but I had one in red smooth bone... I think it's the same pattern aside from the handle material: RR449. It's a neat pattern but I was very unlucky with the draw.

The one in the middle has some especially nice looking stag. Both sides are very attractive. The one on the top is quite thick. Most of the newer Bulldog knives have thick stag like these RR... and I've also seen it on some German oldies also. I always wondered why more isn't cut away from the inside so that the stag isn't so thick. I suppose it's just a matter of personal preference though. I have a stag RR stockman that I've reshaped a little to reduce its thickness.
 
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