Rough Rider & Related Slipjoints

Pipeman said:
I sent you a visitors message with Rough rider dealers.
Here's a pic with the Jumbo Trapper, an amazing big knife. The others are a Boxcar whittler and a peanut for the small end.
Regards

Robin
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That jumbo trapper is looking good. Now there's another one to add to the list.
 
Anyone ever tried any of the Cattlemans Cutlery range from 'American Buffalo Knife & Tool Inc.'?

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Nixelplix said:
I haven't seen that brand before.:)
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Only just come across them myself. Very limited selection available here in 3Cr13 and 1065. RR type prices. Company is in Sweetwater, Tennessee, but I figure the knives themselves are made further away.

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Here's one just got:

Rough Rider Half Hawk in red jigged bone.
  • 3" hawkbill blade
  • 2-1/4" spear point blade
  • 4" closed


It's a beefy knife, that's for sure.

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Jack Black said:
Anyone ever tried any of the Cattlemans Cutlery range from 'American Buffalo Knife & Tool Inc.'?

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Seems there are more and more knives that are simply rebranded versions of themselves. No doubt that is why they can be had so affordably. See if this looks familiar:

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I notice more and more patterns with the same blade styles, same exact dimensions, etc. The knife pic I put up is branded as a "Sarge" knife. I was familiar with them as they sell them in the local Woodcraft store. The dimensions of their Barlow is exactly those of my RR Barlow. Their hollow frame knife is the same knife as my old Gerber Paraframe. Looking on their website (just Google "Sarge knives") and you will see a lot of old favorites.

Add a quick notch in the handle to make it an easy open, a groove on the bolster, and you have a new knife. Kinda... The only things that seem to separate some of the higher quality off shore offerings these days are covers, shields, blade stamps, and pulls. The blades, liners, bolsters, dimensions and profiles are the same.

Hey... as long as the keep the quality up and the price as affordable as they are, they can call them anything they want!

Robert
 

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Yes Robert, I think a few of these companies are closer to retailers than to manufacturers.
 
Jack Black said:
Yes Robert, I think a few of these companies are closer to retailers than to manufacturers.
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I think we will see more and more of these duplicated knives out there. Personally, I had never heard or seen anything of RR knives until about 5 years ago. I ran into some at a gun show, and due to price, I assumed quality to be on par with the knives I was familiar with that sold at that price.

A lot has changed. There is a dealer of CRKT knives (all offshore manufacture, but to their specs) that I look for at every show. He doesn't sell anything but CRKT and Carl Schlieper products, but has been in the knife business for about 30 years.

He confirmed to me what I had heard talked about by different dealers. You can buy a generic knife made in China with an order for as little as 250 units (all the same model, steel, covers, etc.) with no markings and generic everything. To customize the knife with something like a blade stamp behind the kick, you pay for the stamp to be made as well as an extra manufacturing cost.

It becomes a cafeteria plan, picking covers, blade pulls, liner materials, etc., and generally works out to purchasing 1000 units to get the best price for a more customized knife. So in other words, these guys are just manufacturers, not the stuff of knife legend and lore. Just manufacturers.

I found that off putting to me at first, but then thought about how inbred American knife makers used to be. Camillus made knives for Buck, Schrade and who knows who. Queen makes knives for different companies to this day like Canal Street. Other examples are out there for the reading on this forum. I have no idea how many American companies AGR has worked with over the years.

Apparently, this is the way the knife business has always been conducted.

Robert
 
I'd like to show another one that I don't think has been here before - the Rough Rider swell center jack. Mine is in lime green smooth bone.

  • 3" closed
  • half stops on both blades
  • 2" cutting edge on clip main
  • 1.5" cutting edge on pen

I've put it next to a quarter and a Case peanut for comparison:

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^ Very nice Blaine, I was just admiring it on the EDC thread :thumbup:
 
I have one of those RR Swell Center Jacks with yellow handles. By far the best slipjoint for the money I have ever owned. Both blades came super sharp, FF is awesome. Half stops on both blades. I use it all the time, sharpens up easy.
 
RR302 split back whittler. This thing is a beast at 4 5/8ths closed. The smaller blades have half stops. For under $13 shipped you get a lot of knife.
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This is perhaps the best part.
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Nice blade, my RR helped me out with my brake change... the main blade sliced through the new rotor bags, and also when I pulled the brakes apart, I had to cut off a swelled rubber piece with my wharncliffe blade.

I de-greased it later, and gave it some swipes on the Sharp Maker fine rods, then onto ultra-fine rods. It worked good, but I have CV blades I need to try out.
 
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