Rubber handled 171UH?

I think I found the blade and it could be a Schrade.Check out the knife at 300094127119.It is one of the Smith and Wesson knives with no tang stamp.Blade looks like the one in question.Arnold
 
That is not a Smith and Wesson knife 300094127119 and to the best of my knowledge Schrade did not make a Bowie for Smith and Wesson contrary to what the listing says???

Smith and Wesson had a bowie which from a casual observation looked similar to the Schrade bowie but closer inspection will show it is different in almost every way.

The 171 UH with rubber handle doesnt look like a 171 UH blade grind either but I think that already been determnied. Still a nice find though!!

As in link below re bowie:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458240&page=2
 
Seems I had my S&W mixed up with the Colt.Check the search under S&W or Colt you will see the blade.Tim how many of these or 171s do you own.Arnold
 
Arnold, I thought it was very similar to the Schrade Colt style Bowie also, when you look closer at the rubber handled knife it appears to be slightly shorter and the blade looks a little fatter from top to bottom also,

Rusty1
 
Tim how many of these or 171s do you own
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Arnold thats a BIG zero for me, I dont own any, just noticed that the blade does have some similarities but also does look different (seems to have a pronounced deep hollow grind). Perhaps Im wrong but others also seem to be hinting that there is something different about it.
Thanks for posting it, interesting find!!

As for the Bowies, the Sam Colt Bowies with same blade shape as the one in the listing 300094127119 (all Ive seen are this shape) are Schrade made Bowies and the one in the listing is also a Schrade made bowie and a very nice one too.

Have good one
Cheers Tim
 
Tim I guess my problem with what you said is you can't ever say never when dealing with Schrade made knives.They made knives for everyone and had knives made for them by everyone.One persons memory of their history varies with who you ask and how much they drank that day.Just my thoughts.Arnold
 
Sorry, the way I read your post was that Schrade never made a bowie for S&W.We don't know that.Arnold
 
My Quote:
to the best of my knowledge Schrade did not make a Bowie for Smith and Wesson contrary to what the listing says.
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That seller may well be correct, I dont know for certain!!!!!! he is saying that he does know and that they did make one for Smith and Wesson.

I know that seller and he is good to deal with and I have no real reason not to except what he says if he is sure!!! (he emailed me), if he says its was made by Schrade for Smith & Wesson that may be true.

I personally believe the top photo (as below) is a Schrade made Knife the other photo of the one below (2 pics of both sides) is not a Schrade but made by Smith and Wesson (the one stamped Texas Ranger Bowie). It differs in too many ways. If it is in fact not really a Schrade as I think and is made by Smith and Wesson then why would Smith and Wesson order a Schrade made bowie when they have one of their own and when obviously the Schrade one would look too similar to their own. Wouldnt they lose sales for their own bowie?? Counterproductive??

Anyway if Im wrong I would love to be corrected?? I thought someone out there would know for certain when I post same subject in other thread.

DIFFERENCES ARE AS FOLLOWS
The fatter handle, crossguard much longer on lower side, larger squarish shaped pomel, blade shape, blade clip point, blade width, blade stamp (none on Schrade bowies), the triangular missing peice between the crossguard and start of blade on top bowie. These are only the differences that can be seen in photos there may be many more.


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The knife in question on eBay IS a Schrade and the seller could have made an error by saying it was originally made for S&W instead of Colt, which is who it was really most likely made for:

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As Tim pointed out, the S&W Bowie, while similar at a glance, is a very different knife. It also follows the same style and construction as a whole line of knives that S&W came out with in the 80's, none of which bear any resemblence to any other Schrade.

The sheath for the S&W Bowie is also a little different than the Schrade sheath:

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seems like i ahve seen a knife like the rubber handled one in question. i believe it was either a sports afield, field & stream, or outdoor life knife. i know i have seen it in wal-mart or kmart. i doubt very seriously its a schrade, the blade just screams "CHINA". i do not believe it to be a schrade, and without any stamps on it, or any identifying marks, i would stear clear of that one.
 
Thanks Redshanks & Fireman

Here is the original listing for the S&W Texas Ranger Bowie. Its very well written, mentions nothing about Schrade says that it is taken from a model 6010 in the S&W line. As in link

HERE IS SHORT QUOTE FROM LINK BELOW (see highlighted section) in context I think he is referring to first bowie S&W not first ever S&W knife. See full artical below

Smith & Wesson brought out the Texas Ranger Bowie Commemorative in 1973 that was designed by John Wilson and R.G. Jinks. The Texas Ranger Bowie was the first knife made by Smith & Wesson. The first Smith & Wesson knives were designed by Blackie Collins and came out in 1974 and were discontinued when the second group came out in 1980.
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http://www.cutlerscove.com/bowies/smith-wesson-texas-ranger-bowie2.htm


Here is my bowie knife, it is a Schrade.
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Fireman, somehow the rubber handled knife that was the original subject of this topic got blended with the latest engraved Schrade Bowie that Arnold found on eBay.

The rubber handled knife is certainly suspect, and if it doesn't sell for too much, I'm willing to take a chance on it to see it up close. If it turns out to be from Red China, I'll use it to dig some weeds out of my lawn.

Tim, that's a very nice knife. In order to put to rest the question of whether the S&W Bowie has Schrade genes (which I don't believe it does), you should buy one of the S&W's. It's a very good knife in its own right and probably worth more than the Schrade.
 
Yes mate, thanks, sounds like a good idea but I am persuaded personally and I am still not sure that even if I did that I would be able to convince everyone.

I guess all I can do is just work with the facts I can gather and build a good but still inconclusive case and if someone who knows better speaks up then great.

As for the seller of that Schrade Bowie knife 300094127119 he is one of the politest and most helpful people Ive purchased from and he may still be correct on that one? So my Regards to him.
Tim
 
It was reported somewhere, and if I can find the article I will post it, that at the time Smith and Wesson put out the Texas bowie they were not manufacturing knives themselves, and it was only after 3-4 models later that S&W started their own manufacture of knives.

Rusty1
 
redshanks said:
Fireman, somehow the rubber handled knife that was the original subject of this topic got blended with the latest engraved Schrade Bowie that Arnold found on eBay.

The rubber handled knife is certainly suspect, and if it doesn't sell for too much, I'm willing to take a chance on it to see it up close. If it turns out to be from Red China, I'll use it to dig some weeds out of my lawn.

Tim, that's a very nice knife. In order to put to rest the question of whether the S&W Bowie has Schrade genes (which I don't believe it does), you should buy one of the S&W's. It's a very good knife in its own right and probably worth more than the Schrade.
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I guess you took the chance redshanks, good job, please let us know how thick the blade is when you receive it, and how it measures up to the 171, If you have that model in your collection. Thanks

Rusty1
 
Thanks Rusty, I do have a 171UH, but from just the photo, the rubber handled knife does not even resemble the blade shape and grind of a 171UH and may not be a Schrade. The downward angle of the stick tang is a dead giveaway that this is not a revamped Pro Hunter. I have bought from this seller several times in the past and he's always been honest in his dealings with me, so I'll just have to wait and see.
 
In fact, I'm willing to bet this is not a Schrade. It looks like a cheap $10.00 knife ($25.00 now). I'll let you know what transpires.
 
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