S30V titanium framelocks - the best for the $?

I'm glad you showed up brownshoe, you never fail to either amaze or entertain me. :jerkit:
 
Okay, I've owned a Sebenza, Buck TNT, BM Mini Skirmish, Camillus Dominator, Camillus Cuda Maxx, Kershaw Ti ZDP Leek, and Kershaw Ti Bump. (I like S30V Ti framelocks :D)

The TNT was way up there in quality, and I regret trading it away. It is classy, and robust. For the money, I agree that it's a great deal. That said, I still think I like my Kershaw Blue Bump better. It has contoured handles, with multi-color anodizing, a recurve blade, Ken Onion design, Speed Safe mechanism, all on top of the S30V blade, Ti frame lock, and AWESOME customer service of Kershaw, and Made In USA is the final touch. Not knocking the TNT, but I would rate the Bump one-up. Only draw-back is limited production, but, Hey, I got mine already!

Never handled the Bradley Alias, but have handled Striders, Hinderers, and Ralphs. For a Custom, I'd go with Ralph or Hinderer.

DD
 
I got the blue Kershaw Bump too and the frame lock on mine barely goes over behind the blade base. It's a nicely made pretty knife and it's AO works very well. I like it a lot. Don't use it as it's a collector to me. But i don't see where the frame lock is exactly what you'd call well fitted.
How's the lockup on this Buck TNT? My Buck Strider with Thick Ti liners isn't very well fitted at all, in fact I think it's very poor. I doubt Buck makes anything that can compare to Spyderco from what I've seen from the two in person. I own about 80 decent knives and a lot are liner/frame locks. Nothing is close as far as a frame lock to my Blade-Tech Rijbak that I've seen in person so far. It's got a very angled blade base where the Ti frame lock contacts and its fitted very closely. I just haven't seen one as angled and having the Ti lock cut to match as well. Not only that but it's entire width (a lot) sets dead on behind the very first of the blade. If that Buck TNT locks up as well it's a great knife for sure. Now, I'd love to see one in person it's got me curious.
 
Lock up is great. The bar moves over about 1/2 way and there is no side to side or up and down play...like a vault. This is with a used knife and I've done no adjustments to it, just sharpened, cleaned and lubricated.

I edited out my spyderco comment so as to not enflame the cult. However, the fit and finish of my used Mayo is better than all but the best spydercos and equal to their best. My experience with spyderco fit and finish is spotty, some good, some poor and few (usually the Japanese ones) excellent. I can't complain about the Mayo, and I'm picky.
 
Good grief, brownshoe.
Do you work for Buck?
Not that I completely disagree with what you said, but that last sentence was a public relations dream-come-true. :)
 
$ for $ I vote for the Buck Mayo TNT. You can pick one up for under a buck fifty at Ira Woods shipping included. I've got two from them so far.
 
I have had the Buck/Mayo TNT & a REAL Mayo TNT. The REAL Mayo is blow your socks off amazing!!! Get a real Mayo!
 
What's wrong with the skirmish, or should I say what's not to like?
Looks like a sweet knife to me and the price is excellent.
Maybe a little too tactical looking?
 
Daniel Dorn said:
Okay, I've owned a Sebenza, Buck TNT, BM Mini Skirmish, Camillus Dominator, Camillus Cuda Maxx, Kershaw Ti ZDP Leek, and Kershaw Ti Bump. (I like S30V Ti framelocks :D)

The TNT was way up there in quality, and I regret trading it away. It is classy, and robust. For the money, I agree that it's a great deal. That said, I still think I like my Kershaw Blue Bump better. It has contoured handles, with multi-color anodizing, a recurve blade, Ken Onion design, Speed Safe mechanism, all on top of the S30V blade, Ti frame lock, and AWESOME customer service of Kershaw, and Made In USA is the final touch. Not knocking the TNT, but I would rate the Bump one-up. Only draw-back is limited production, but, Hey, I got mine already.
DD
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Wow :eek:
Take away the Cuda Maxx, add Strider Sng and Alias, and I could say the exact same thing. Well,,,my Bump is gray though
 
brownshoe said:
When comparing to the sebenza (a) street price of about $170 is about half sebenza's street price (b) handle does not scuff up...no need to pay CRK to refurbish (c) countoured handle is more comfortable (d) oval hole doesn't hurt like the sharp thumb studs (e) you can flick it and not void your warranty (f) holes make it lighter (g) Buck's been in business for three generations...noone knows what will happen to CRK when Reeve's dies (h) better warranty because buck doesn't argue and finally the true kcikeer (i) no "break-in period until the knife opens smoothly (j) no ugly bead blasted blade (that's just CRK being cheap) and finally (k) much prettier and as ATBarr says "don't buy no ugly knife."
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A. Granted

B. Lies. Any handle material, and especially Ti will scratch when coming into contact with dirt, sand and concrete, even G-10 and FRN. Nothing is invincible. Perhaps it is more resistant for one reason or another, giving you the benefit of the doubt, but don't exaggerate.

C. Preference. I think it's too thin, and like the size grip of an inlaid Sebenza more.

D. Thumb studs don't hurt. Where the hell does that come from?

E. Flicking doesn't void the warranty. It just isn't recommended due to needlessly accelerating wear. This applies to any folder. Flicking wears parts harder.

F. Granted. It's thinner too.

G. Right, because CRK is in its death throws and is such an unproven business. I'd bet anything the Sebenza will be around longer than the Buck Mayo line.

H. I sent Buck a terribly unacceptable knife, and got back a knife still completely unacceptable. Every company's warranty department will argue with you, except for Busse, of course. It depends on who you get on the phone with. I'll bet the amount of arguments reps at Buck get in with customers compared to CRK is way larger, given the size of Buck's market. I'll bet you saw one or two instances of people having warranty issues and drew a rushed conclusion. I've seen you do it to other companies you don't like for whatever reason. The consensus on CRK's warranty is in stark contrast to you experience, although I'm sure experience had little to do with your statement.

I. The break in period lasts about a day, and is a result of the tolerances being so tight. The pieces just need to get used to rubbing on each other in such a tight fit. A day or two after you get it, you will hardly remember it being stiff for the first day of openings because the action is unmatched in smoothness and solidarity and will only get better with use.

J. CRK does not bead blast anything but the Ti handles, and that's only on some models. The blades on the base line are stone washed, which is a much nicer finish than bead blast, and anything with inlay is satin polished as well. CRK cuts no corners with their knives, and have a resounding reputation because of that fact.

K. Again, preference.

Let me tell you a real reason a Sebenza is a more solid choice. It's very simple:

The knife is going to be flawless, 99.9% of the time, and stay that way. That is peace of mind.

Run a search on the Buck Mayo TNT and see how many people had fit and finish issues with theirs, including bad lock-up, flimsy lockbars, blade play and off center blades. That's why I never bought one. I'm tired of getting flawed knives when I'm paying hundreds for them. I don't care to gamble with it anymore.

It's obvious you know nothing aside from a few negative threads you read about the Sebenza.

I didn't mean to make such a large post, but you are spreading misinformation hype, and I think everybody's entitled to see both sides of this non-issue.
 
Mr J#####

A. Why do you call me a lier? I've used my Mayo, dropped it in sand, put in my pocket with keys, etc. and there is not one scratch or ding on the Ti. Personally I think it's harder than the Sebenza's Ti. I've seen many sebenzas with dings and scratches.

The Mayo had some problems in the beginning, but they were fixed. You won't find any complaints in the last couple of years. I did my research. You obviously didn't because you'd have found complaints about the sebenza's ergonomics such as the thumb stud, too tight, hard to release, smooth but slow, doesn't fit the hand, etc. All of which I instantly noticed the many times I thought I should buy one but then bothered to pick them up and handle a few. I picked up the Mayo and it fit well, was smooth, strong and pretty...just like a young girlfriend :)

Since you called me a liar, I won't bother with the rest of your counterpoint. I thought personal attacks such as calling someone a liar resulted in banishment. As my uncle the cop used to say, "Where's a cop when you need one."
 
To debate facts is to call the other person a liar by the nature of the argument.

I'm allowed to tell you that I don't believe you.

Being called a liar is commonplace in all debates even if it isn't directly typed. You also lied about the Sebenza having bead blasted blades because CRK is "Cheap".

If you can crap on a company's integrity, I can call you out on a lie.
 
Time for my 2 cents ;)

I own 3 ti frame locks: Buck Mayo, Large Sebbie and a Ti Salsa.

I'll leave the Salsa out of it for now.

The fit and finish on my 172 was not flawless, but I found it acceptable (there
was still a burr left on the end of the clip). What it lacked in F + F it made up for in well thought-out design. I've hardly edc'ed anything else since buying it 6 months ago.
And yes, as some people have mentioned already, the finish on the ti handles is longer lasting than one might expect (still barely a mark on it).

The sebbie is also well designed, although quite different. I would use it alot more than I do, however the lock has failed on me once. Since then the lock-up has been unsatisfactory. As a result I don't trust it anymore.
I will be getting onto CRK as soon as I can find time.

I know other people have had more positive experiences with their Sebs, but based on mine the Buck Mayo comes out on top.
 
Mr. J####. Mistakenly calling "stone washed" "bead blast" is not a lie. It's a mistake and "stone washed" is still a cheap way out of giving an expensive knife a finish. Many people have this problem with the sebenza...do some research.

In my experience, you are the onlly one to call someone a liar on these forums. It is not common place. It's a personal insult and should result in banishment.

In my neighborhood you wouldn't insult someone and then claim different...unless you're not willing to cash the checks your mouth writes.
 
brownshoe said:
Mr. J####. Mistakenly calling "stone washed" "bead blast" is not a lie. It's a mistake and "stone washed" is still a cheap way out of giving an expensive knife a finish. Many people have this problem with the sebenza...do some research.

In my experience, you are the onlly one to call someone a liar on these forums. It is not common place. It's a personal insult and should result in banishment.

In my neighborhood you wouldn't insult someone and then claim different...unless you're not willing to cash the checks your mouth writes.
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I got the impression that you really don't know the difference or the Sebenza itself well enough to comment on the finish, which is spreading misinformation, also known as lies. I got that impression from a lot of your post.

Many people have tons of preference based issues with every single knife on the market. You can find things that bug people about anything. I've researched plenty.

To tell somebody that what they are saying is not true is to call them a liar, even if you don't state it directly. People tell each other what they said was BS on here all the time. It's the same thing as saying they lied, just without using the big, bad L-word. My argument was strong and grounded, and you are playing strawman to avoid the real issue. Get over it. I'm not going to get banned.

In my neighborhood, you say what you mean and stand by it, even if it means you think a person is lying. I hope you aren't suggesting that I fear some sort of physical attack for speaking my mind. I don't fear the wrath of any man too pretentious to handle a person's harsh words without becoming violent.

EDIT: Before the "liar" issue gets out of hand, I'd like to point out that I never actually called you a liar, I called a series of statements lies, and for good reason: Saying that you can drop your Ti handled knife on concrete and it comes out flawless is simply not true. The finish may be more durable, but that statement is clearly an exaggeration made to cater to an agenda. So, please let that issue rest and deal with the actual dispute in further replies.
 
Mr. J#####

What I said was:

"The scales don't seem to scratch and I've dropped mine in dirt, concrete and sand."

That ain't a lie. It is the truth. I cannot find a scratch on my TNT handle and it has been dropped on dirt, concrete and sand. I think the Tis hardened, unlike the sebenza.

No matter how you twist it, you called be a liar directly. Now you are calling me a liar again.

From my understanding of the rules of this forum, this is not allowed and results in banishment.

Edited to add: I read your profile and now I understand where you're coming from. I will not engage you in any more discussion. Not worth the time.
 
Calm down kiddies.

It is OK to point out a mistake, but to flat out call someone a liar or call their mistakes lies seems to be a misuse of the term.

Lets get back to the actual knives now. (hint) ;)
 
I agree that a seb side scratches more easily the a TNT. But I hardly think that's important, at least to me.
 
Agreed. I do believe that the Seb is superior in many ways. Worth twice as much? ... now thats a different story.
 
every frame lock i have has its good and bad points-be they production or service problems-

but at the price of a sebenza i have bought a hinderer xm18 with all ti and anopaint-also a second hand scott matsuako thats close to pristine-

i cant see buying a sebenza again unless its a damascus one-those are real sweet pieces
 
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