Sage 2 or Sebenza?

Everyone else seems to see why it can be considered trolling except for you, maybe. You keep posting threads on basically the same topic which usually ends up getting pretty heated. You went from knocking the knife and calling it over priced and a luxury to wanting the knife and comparing it to one that costs almost a third the price. Beating a dead horse and then bringing it up again a day later can be seen as trolling.

You have been given a lot of information and now you just have to make a big boy decision and pick one. Starting a new thread to talk about it more isn't going to make the choice any more obvious. Pull out the credit card and flip a coin if you must and buy one. Most people would have bought one and be deciding on a different knife by now. You can buy more knives so you're not going to be stuck with it for the rest of your life. I personally would want 3 $150 knives, so figure out what you want.

I hope your more decisive with other purchases or you might starve before you buy something to eat. If you think you are going to get less crazy looks because your knife handle is ti instead of frn you are wrong. Sport the mini grip and enjoy it because it doesn't look like you are an irrational knife knut that spends all their spare money on knives.
 
Well...I appreciate all the feedback etc.

Unfortunately on that last part, regarding your impression of me, I think you might be wrong. I think I'm among good company here, as are the rest of you.


Just walked out of a dealer that had a Sebenza 21, and a classic. They also had a Spyderco Sage 1.


I ended up walking out, wanting a Sebenza, and wanting a sage 2. And I bought the sage 1, and a pink Native for my Lady (her fav after looking for awhile). Also bought a DMT Aligner.


Let me be clear here:

Yeah I do think the Sebenza is over priced. Its a luxury item. A terrific waste of money.

But then again, I am just like the rest of you. I get caught up in the details. The texture of the materials, the perfection on the blade grind. The feeling of the tolerances.

FYI at the dealer I checked out a 700 dollar William Henry, and was blown away with the feel etc.


So now I am left wanting a Sage 2, a Sebenza (classic and 21) and also a William Henry.

So yeah...I guess I should have listened, just kept rocking the Mini- Griptilian. Actually, I should have just kept rocking the CRKT m16-10kz EDC.

So to recap, since I've joined I have purchased in this order:

CRKT m16-10kz EDC
Benchmade OD/Black combo Griptilian
Benchmade OD/Black mini Griptilian
CRKT RSK Mk5
Spyderco Delica 4 (returned)
ESEE Izula
SAK Hunter
Fallkniven F1
Gerber profile
Spyderco Native
Spyderco Sage 1



I think this probably qualifies me to never ever give financial advice to anyone ever again.




I have to say too: Even though liner locks supposedly suck, and I know my Griptilian has a better lock, I REALLY LIKE THIS SAGE 1! =)

I just pressed the buy button on the Sage 2. Debating calling dealer on Sebenza.

*sigh*.


The real question I should be asking is, where do lightly or unused knives go to be sold that actually fetch a decent price when they are in immaculate condition? =)

Thanks to everyone for the help.


Edit: as a side note...I know I shouldn't care about this. But this Sage....talk about a nice and sharp factory knife. The damn thing is so sharp, I just cut little curls on a piece of tissue (from a hand dry dispenser in the bathroom at work). Holy crap. I thought my Fallkniven was sharp from the factory...this thing is beyond razor sharp.

When I first started knife buying, I couldn't figure out why people liked Spyderco more than Benchmade. But now as I learn/experience/buy more, I have to say I think I am beginning to lean heavily towards Spyderco (subject to change by tomorrow).



-Freq
 
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Never, ever, take your "lady" when shopping for knives.

I'll bet you 10-1 she talked you right out of that "over-priced":rolleyes: Sebenza.

She wins. She got a nice Golden Spyderco and you got.......................well you didn't get a Sebenza.
 
5.56 said:
Never, ever, take your "lady" when shopping for knives.

I'll bet you 10-1 she talked you right out of that "over-priced":rolleyes: Sebenza.

She wins. She got a nice Golden Spyderco and you got.......................well you didn't get a Sebenza.
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I didn't take her. She doesn't talk me out of things. Tells me to buy whatever is going to make me happy =)


-Freq
 
freq18hz said:
I didn't take her. She doesn't talk me out of things. Tells me to buy whatever is going to make me happy =)
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Really, because you said she was there.:confused:

freq18hz said:
I ended up walking out, wanting a Sebenza, and wanting a sage 2. And I bought the sage 1, and a pink Native for my Lady (her fav after looking for awhile). Also bought a DMT Aligner.
-Freq
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You should just trade knives with her. I think the Pink Native suits you better anyways. And as a bonus, it's sheeple friendly for work.
 
You have some nice knives to use for sure. Nothing long with a liner lock from a quality manufacturer.
 
It is very much a matter of personal prefference, not of performance. All of them are very good knives and I'm sure that no matter which one you'll choose, it will serve you well.
 
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Really, because you said she was there.:confused:






You should just trade knives with her. I think the Pink Native suits you better anyways. And as a bonus, it's sheeple friendly for work.
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She had looked previously at a different store, that had a crappy price.


-Freq
 
So the store had this beautiful Sebenza classic.

I think I preferred the feel of the Sebenza 21 to the Classic, but man this classic had the most awesome design on it...


-Freq
 
Just so you know the classic and the 21 are nearly identical. The only difference is the more aggressive chamfering at pivot end of the knife and a slight change in chamfering on the thumb stud relief. Oh and the classic says "classic" around the pivot.

My personal opinion is to get a few other knives before you spring for your first sebenza. I believe that you cannot fully appreciate a sebenza until you have owned atleast a couple other production knives of similar materials to compare it to.

I only saw the true value in Chris Reeve knives and what exactly made them superior after owning other titanium framelocks from various manufactures. Do you have any titanium framelocks now? You may want to buy one so you can see if you even like the framelock first (Which I'm pretty sure you will).

Do yourself a favor and go to A.G. Russells site and check out the A.G. Russell folding spear point (or folding sting depending on your personal preferences). They cost about $100 for a brand new US made titanium framelock with a 154 cm blade of excellent geometry. Now its not a sebenza but I think you'll really like it.
 
Thanks for the advice!

Yeah I just ordered a spyderco sage 2, so that will be my first frame lock.


Honestly, I can see why people like the Sebenza's so much. They are just so expensive.

But it seems like, they offer a blend of collect-ability and every day use.

All these knives...I'll be honest. It kind of freaks me out. Usually I know why I like things, and I don't to collect or buy things I don't need. I'm not saying I live cheap, or don't appreciate the finer things in life. But for some reason, I just love the beauty of all these knives, and I have no rational reason for it. I will never utilize them or their strengths. I realistically could sport a $20 or under knife, or a SAK and do everything I do with all the other folders I own/considering owning...

My F1 I have utilized, and will continue to do so. I don't need my izula so I am probably dumping that. But these folders, my mini grip is fine...I need nothing more.

I have a feeling this kind of pack rat hoarding/collecting behavior isn't healthy. But for some reason, I just find all these knives beautiful. Things I've been checking out the past few hours, like these William Henry knives with damascus blades etc....they are just works of art!

Not to sound silly, but what is chamfering? I should just google it, but im curious what this means for the Sebenza, more specifically why it might have been changed, what the added chamfering adds?


-Freq
 
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Expensive is a relative term. While you're doing a google search for chamfering, take a look at some Ken Onion or R.J. Martin customs. The price of a Sebenza doesn't seem that high after all.
 
I own large and small Sebenza classics and also the Sage II. I do use all three and spend time just admiring the Sebenzas. For my daily work day I do tend to take the Sage more because the wire clip is easy on my pockets and find that I use it harder because it feels more disposible. For this weekends yard work I did put my large Sebenza to work on branches and wood so I certainly don't keep them as safe queens. From a daily carry standpoint the small sebenza dissapears in the pocket. The Sage II takes up more room and the large sebenza is just right.

On a side note the knife that I love the most, play with, and really enjoy using is my Umnumzaan... but that is another topic :)
 
i agree with gundude, a sebenza is going to be my next knife aswell, though i just did buy a Brian Tighe - Tighe Breaker, a Sebenza will be in the future, but never out of sight
 
i agree with gundude, a sebenza is going to be my next knife as well
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My next knife is going to be a ZT0300 & hopefully the new ZT0550 if they come out with more than a panywaist 3.25 usable edge option.

I want a harder use knife - I think the ZT line is a hard use folder. :)

Sorry I just changed the subject :foot:
 
freq18hz said:
Thanks for the advice!



Not to sound silly, but what is chamfering? I should just google it, but im curious what this means for the Sebenza, more specifically why it might have been changed, what the added chamfering adds?


-Freq
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cham·fer (chmfr)
tr.v. cham·fered, cham·fer·ing, cham·fers - the friction effect generated when fat kids run in tight corduroys.

For the Sebenza it is the final finish applied. Chris stuffs three or four knives down the front of the kids pants and has them do 20 laps on a 1/4 mile track. This it what makes the Sebenza special and operate so smoothly. Just keeping the kid motivated is difficult and takes the touch of a master craftsman. The food and clothing costs for his herd of chamferers is what makes the knives so expensive

On a more serious note - Definition
 
I was just going to post this very same thing. Being new at this type collecting I am uneasy about a lot. But I am in agreement with whoever it was said get what you want and be happy, it is just a knife. I sure can't afford the Sebenza and it is way to big for me anyway. Sage 2 is what I want. Even it weighs more than I like. Good luck with your decision.
 
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