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I personally think the fault may rest with you on this deal. Unless he edited the post after you bought it (shows last edit on the 13th), he showed you a picture of what you were buying (with snap undone), says that the sheath doesn't snap, that it came that way to him, and he even provides a link to a SOG collector's site showing the knife in what appears to be a different sheath. You should have asked questions and done your research. I don't think the Seller in this deal failed to disclose anything. Just because a man sells a knife, doesn't mean that he knows everything about that knife. I also see a seller with over 7000 posts and an excellent user feedback (99.3% positive) v. someone with 20 posts and only one positive feedback score. Finally, I see that the majority of your posts are complaints about Sellers and transactions in the Feedback Forum. I remember the other thread you started, and I thought it was a waste. I think this one is a waste also.

If the blade fits in the kydex (looks like it does), just be creative and put a new snap on it that fits.
 
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cnas122 said:
I personally think a lot of the fault may rest with you on this deal. Unless he edited the post after you bought it (shows last edit on the 13th), he says that the sheath doesn't snap, that it came that way to him, and he even provides a link to a SOG collector's site showing the knife in what appears to be a different sheath. You should have asked questions and done your research. I don't think the Seller in this deal failed to disclose anything. Just because a man sells a knife, doesn't mean that he knows everything about that knife. If the blade fits in the kydex (looks like it does), just be creative and put a new snap on it that fits.
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I agree, but the buyer isnt happy so maintain the peace and just un-do the deal by accepting a refund (buyer should pay shippin both way though imo.) Had a guy buy a blue knife from me the other day, he didnt like the shade of blue so he wanted to return it, as much as I didnt want to, I did, a few buck loss isnt worth the headache.
 
dericdesmond said:
I agree, but the buyer isnt happy so maintain the peace and just un-do the deal by accepting a refund (buyer should pay shippin both way though imo.) Had a guy buy a blue knife from me the other day, he didnt like the shade of blue so he wanted to return it, as much as I didnt want to, I did, a few buck loss isnt worth the headache.
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If you are a dealer, then yes, I think you should have a 100% satisfaction guaranteed policy. But individuals, I think a return policy should be in the discretion of the Seller and I think that barring a misleading or untruthful For Sale Thread, an individual Seller should not be obligated to accept a return for any reason whatsoever. Who knows a Seller's situation...maybe he is unloading his collection to pay his electric bill, or medical bills, etc. Barring anything fraudulent or misleading, I don't think think he should be required to accept a return. That being said, I do think individual sellers on BF should make it clear in their sales post exactly what the return policy is. If the thread clearly states that no returns will be accepted (with the exception of fraud of course), then the Buyer consumates the deal subject to those conditions.
 
cnas122 said:
If you are a dealer, then yes, I think you should have a 100% satisfaction guaranteed policy. But individuals, I think a return policy should be in the discretion of the Seller and I think that barring a misleading or untruthful For Sale Thread, an individual Seller should not be obligated to accept a return for any reason whatsoever. Who knows a Seller's situation...maybe he is unloading his collection to pay his electric bill, or medical bills, etc. Barring anything fraudulent or misleading, I don't think think he should be required to accept a return. That being said, I do think individual sellers on BF should make it clear in their sales post exactly what the return policy is. If the thread clearly states that no returns will be accepted (with the exception of fraud of course), then the Buyer consumates the deal subject to those conditions.
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A deal isn't done until both parties are happy. That's how most of us play ball, anyways. I wouldn't want to do a trade with someone who didn't feel the same.
 
The photo of the knife you received shows the knife in the sheath that came with it. I'm thinking that you received what you paid for, as shown in the photo. Maybe before purchase, you should have asked if the knife fit in the sheath, and if it was an original SOG sheath, if that was important to you.
 
Reversing the deal would be the classy thing to do but in any case this OP is building his own damaged reputation being a problem buyer.
 
The picture suggests that the blade fits in the kydex. I know ASSumptions and all, but suggesting that I ask everybody I deal with whether the kydex fits the blade is a little much. With leather or nylon you expect it to fit, sorta fit, or not fit. I have never bought a knife with kydex that wasn't molded to the particular knife unless it was just a liner. Reading the thread I was thinking a merely defective strap. Don't know either buyer/seller or reps but I think asking if a kydex sheath is for a different knife is unreasonable. I don't consider a trade/sale done until everybody is happy.

Pete
 
EMT_Lee said:
A deal isn't done until both parties are happy. That's how most of us play ball, anyways. I wouldn't want to do a trade with someone who didn't feel the same.
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I've never had a sale or trade where the other party wasn't happy (except the one mentioned below). And if someone gets a knife from me and it's not what they expected, then I am happy to go from there. But I think there has to be some finality to every transaction. I did have one buyer who came back to me 2 months later after using the knife to tell me it wasn't up to their standards. I didn't take it back. In all other cases, I have never been faced with a situation where I have been asked to make things right.

My problem, as evidenced by my constant bickering in these threads, is where buyers or sellers accuse the other party of shady dealings when, in my opinion, the other party has been forthcoming, and the party lodging the complain feels they got taken to the cleaners. I have made those mistakes myself plenty of times, but now I do enough research before buying a knife that I know what I should be getting, and if the description given in the sales thread is accurate, then shame on me. Of course there are situations that warrant a post in the good, bad and ugly. But I don't like all the accusations and name calling when someone doesn't get what they want.
 
I have dealt with this seller numerous times over several years. In fact I received three knives from him this week. He is one of the best on the forums. I have NEVER had a bit of problem with him. Honest as the day is long.Look at his feedback it tells the story.
 
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I have dealt with this seller numerous times over several years. In fact I received three knives from him this week. He is one of the best on the forums. I have NEVER had a bit of problem with him. Honest as the day is long.Look at his feedback it tells the story.
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I have to say more on this! The seller also included a link that shows what an orginal sheath for the knife looks like (leather). This buyer just did not do his homework.
 
You bought what was in the picture and you got it. I've also had dealings with the seller and he is top notch. He gave you what he offered up. It's up to you to know what you are buying.
 
THE SELLER ACCUSED ME OF TRYING TO RIP HIM OFF ---ON PURPOSE

I TOOK GREAT PHOTOS AND STATED CLEARLY IN THE POST THAT THE SNAP DID NOT CLOSE

I GOT THE KNIFE USED-AND HAD NO IDEA IT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL SHEATH

I POSTED VERY GOOD PHOTOS OF THE SHEATH AND KNIFE-AS WELL AS A LINK TO THE SOG COLLECTOR SITE(WHAT ELSE SHOULD I HAVE DONE?)

THE SALE PRICE WAS $73 SHIPPED-AND I THINK HE GOT A VERY GOOD DEAL-AS I PAID WELL OVER THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO

I WOULD RETURN HIS $ IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE LISTING

I HAVE A 100% POSITIVE FEEDBACK RATING BEFORE THIS

I KNOW IT SAYS 99.3% BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT POST--YOU WILL SEE THE BUYER CLICKED THE WRONG ICON AND HAD NOTHING BUT PRAISE FOR ME

HERE IS THAT POST-HE CLICKED THE WRONG ICON ON THE ONLY POSITIVE FEEDBACK ICON

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/itrader_detail.php?ir=28986&u=164975

AS FAR AS ME--THE BUYER INSULTED ME AND TOLD ME I TRIED TO RIP HIM OFF

I WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM HIM $ BACK IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE LISTING OR IF THE ITEM WAS NOT IN THE CONDITION STATED

BUT IF YOU INSULT ME OR MY ETHICS---MAKE DAMN SURE YOU ARE CORRECT

I HAVE OVER 7000 POSTS--IF I WAS AN ASSHOLE OR SOMEONE THAT COULD NOT BE TRUSTED--I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT LONG BEFORE NOWAND SINCE THE BUYER HAS DONE THIS TYPE OF THING BEFORE-I'LL LET YOU ALL DECIDE

SINCERELY

DR.BILL
 
My take on this is that "a picture is worth a thousand words" & you took the knife based on a sellers honest description, which was backed up with very clear photos.

You got what you paid for!
 
I'm seeing more and more whiners that are trying to use GB&U to threaten the other party in trades/sales.

If there was real misrepresentation, then something needs to be worked out, however ... this looks like a case of buyers remorse combined with a lot of whining.

Seems like some people need to grow up a bit more and honor their part of the transaction.
 
Jeff S1 said:
My take on this is that "a picture is worth a thousand words" & you took the knife based on a sellers honest description, which was backed up with very clear photos.

You got what you paid for!
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I agree. From what I see the seller was honest about what he was selling.
I've known the seller for a while now and have never known him to be dishonest and I sure don't see any attempt to decieve you here.
 
As I stated above, the snap does snap shut or close fine. The problem is that the strap is to short and does not go across the knife handle. (the strap cannot be pulled far enough across for the two metal pieces to line up and snap shut.) Its not hard to tell that the knife does not fit properly. Had this been disclosed in the sale post I would not have purchased this knife.
Also I did not accuse the seller at first of cheating me, but his attitude of not thinking he should disclose this information as well as his refusal to take the knife back leads me to believe otherwise.
It was only $73.00, which I am not concerned about. The point is, if there is a legitimate disagreement the seller should make it right.




 
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#2:SOG Tsunami(FIRST GENERATION)

Specifications:
Blade Length: 6 in. x .160 in.
Overall length: 10.6 in.
Blade Steel: AUS-6
Blade hardness: Rc. 56-57
Blade Finish: Powder coated (earlier productions may have satin-polished blades)
Weight: 6.9 oz.
Edge: Partially serrated tanto blade
Carry System: Kydex Sheath -Snap does not snap shut-came that way
Handle Material: Black Kraton
Knife Type: Fixed Blade
Country of origin: Japan
Part #: S43
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So what part of this listing are you selectively choosing to disregard and then whine about? There is no misrepresentation here.

Simple case of a buyer who didn't bother to read what he was buying, and then trying to damage an honest Seller's reputation.
 
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Hasn't there been many and long discussions in here just lately about no deal is done until both parties are satisfied"

I don't care how many deals the seller has done, the buyer obviously isn't happy and I think he has reason not to be. It's one thing to know the snap doesn't work, it's quite another if the kydex sheath doesn't fit correctly which the buyer claims and which was not disclosed in the ad. According to all the rules that have been posted and discussed lately, the buyer is not happy and IMO is entitled to his money back. If people choose not to do business with him based on this thread, so be it.

Either this forum is going to enforce the "no deal until the both parties are satisfied" or they aren't.
 
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