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Said what I had to say -now moving on.
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This forum is not going to enforce the "no deal until the both parties are satisfied". Most of us strongly encourage all parties to abide by it, whether or not a particular sale alludes to it explicitly. It is a tangible aspect of our reliance on personal integrity. But each case is unique and each party has a right to bring his feelings about a deal to this forum. Let the discussion help each of us to form our own opinion, and guide each party to make their own decision.
As I stated above, the snap does snap shut or close fine. The problem is that the strap is to small and does not go across the knife handle. Its not hard to tell that the knife does not fit properly. Had this been disclosed in the sale post I would not have purchased this knife.
Also I did not accuse the seller at first of cheating me, but his attitude of not thinking he should disclose this information as well as his refusal to take the knife back leads me to believe otherwise.
It was only $73.00, which I am not concerned about. The point is, if there is a legitimate disagreement the seller should make it right.
This is insane. What disagreement? The snap didn't snap and he told you that in the for sale post. I'll tell you what....people are free to keep saying that a deal isn't done until both parties are happy...so be it. I will just be more careful to choose who in fact I will consumate a deal with. Doesn't matter to me if AstralPlane offered me 2x what the next guy did...I wouldn't sell him a knife. Over and out.
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What part of what I posted are you selectively choosing to disregard?
The snap does snap shut or close fine with no knife in it. The problem is that the strap is to short and does not go across the knife handle. the strap cannot be pulled far enough across for the two metal pieces to line up and snap shut.
The snap does snap shut or close fine with no knife in it. The problem is that the strap is to short and does not go across the knife handle. the strap cannot be pulled far enough across for the two metal pieces to line up and snap shut.
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Unless the buyer was unable to READ and see the photo's - he bought what he LOOKED at and saw and READ what the seller told him.
I have had the pleasure to deal with Mr.Martin and I can say that without a doubt,he is one of the fines and HONEST people I have had the pleasure to meet on any forum.
TO impune his reputation due to a buyer NOT reading and VIEWING the item is beyond moronic.
If Mr.Martin decides to take that back,the buyer has to pay shipping for both directions,and should be dealt with by all - with EXTREME caution.
So he does not play with any more deals in this manner.
I have had the pleasure to deal with Mr.Martin and I can say that without a doubt,he is one of the fines and HONEST people I have had the pleasure to meet on any forum.
TO impune his reputation due to a buyer NOT reading and VIEWING the item is beyond moronic.
If Mr.Martin decides to take that back,the buyer has to pay shipping for both directions,and should be dealt with by all - with EXTREME caution.
So he does not play with any more deals in this manner.
"snap does not snap shut - came that way"
That says to me that the snap is broken and does not work. It does not say that the strap is too short and so the snap halves won't reach to snap shut. The description may not have been intentionally vague, but it is certainly open to interpretation. See, seller interpreted one way, buyer the other. I matters not that it is not the original sheath. The buyer could not have possibly known which meaning the phrase held, or had any reason to question the meaning. It was the way he interpreted the statement, and so the other way would have never occurred to him. Wouldn't have to me either.
IMHO, the seller should take the knife back and be more specific in his description next time.
That says to me that the snap is broken and does not work. It does not say that the strap is too short and so the snap halves won't reach to snap shut. The description may not have been intentionally vague, but it is certainly open to interpretation. See, seller interpreted one way, buyer the other. I matters not that it is not the original sheath. The buyer could not have possibly known which meaning the phrase held, or had any reason to question the meaning. It was the way he interpreted the statement, and so the other way would have never occurred to him. Wouldn't have to me either.
IMHO, the seller should take the knife back and be more specific in his description next time.
The OP still hasn't and won't address that he didn't read the ad, at least not until he already bought the knife and received it.
If he had any questions, he could have asked the Seller either via posting, or through PM before he made the purchase. I've done it before to make sure I know what I'm getting, and to document against any potential misunderstandings.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
If he had any questions, he could have asked the Seller either via posting, or through PM before he made the purchase. I've done it before to make sure I know what I'm getting, and to document against any potential misunderstandings.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
This is the last post I am going make...maybe the last one ever in the GBU forum and it can be deleted if the mods so choose. I am not going to visit this forum anymore.
AstralPlane, you are a complete imbecile. You are a troll in the deepest sense of the word...only posting on here in my opinion to incite trouble. Anyone who chooses to deal with you has lost his mind. You give nothing back to Blade Forum...but you are self serving and only take from good people on this site. Man Up and have some pride. I hinted at this before, but the problem you consider the end of the world in this transaction could have been fixed in 3 minutes if you had any skill or creativity. I have cut nylon straps on sheaths, had them wear out and adapted other sheaths to work for knives that were not originally intended to fit in them. The problem that you cry about could have been fixed by you in under 3 minutes for less than $4 --- that fix --- simply replacing the strap and putting a new one on that fit. Hell, if you would have shown some self respect I would have sent you a new strap and snap on my own dime. Forget Buyer Beware...any Seller who sees this guy post in a For Sale thread should beware and not sell a knife to him. This just pisses me off...and you can ask any of the 100's of people on this forum that I am very close to and consider friends that I do not get easily pissed off. It's crap like this that makes my experience on here less than peachy sometimes. Like I said, Mods please delete if this is innapropriate (which it probably is). This guys first thread in GBU pissed me off, and this one pissed me off even more.
I think it is appropriate to post the email from AstralPlane to Bill that started this whole mess:
Email from AstralPlane to WILLIAM.M: You didnt state it wasnt the original sheath. Snap doesnt close because it doent fit. I am going to move it over to the negative feed back section on blade forums -go rip someone else of next time.
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From: WILLIAM MARTIN (samuraironin@netzero.com)
To: re1@bigstring.com
Sent: Fri, 18 F eb 2011 00:46:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Sog Tsunami Need to return
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I have done some business with Bill in the past. You will be hard-pressed to find someone with more credibility, integrity and honesty than Bill, he is a class act.
There is nothing more I can add beyond the above. I would ship a $5000 knife to Bill prior to getting payment if he said the check was in the mail.
There is nothing more I can add beyond the above. I would ship a $5000 knife to Bill prior to getting payment if he said the check was in the mail.
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That about says it all, and I agree.
Bill is a stand up member with more sales than anyone other than maybe Auntie on the HI forum. Thats a fact, and as far as I am concerned..this is a BS claim to begin with...I read the post, and if you want to view it as "vague" then go ahead..it has a picture, and a stated issue with the strap.
Then the OP gets the knife and sheath with F#%K#ED up strap..and doesnt like it. What ever.
Grow the FU#K UP.
WilliamM is without question, the best guy to buy a knife from..fast shipping, cheap, no haggle pricing, and loves the knife community..he isnt going anywhere. Who is Astralplane, someone you should NOT sell to???
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I've dealt with Bill for years, and will continue to do so.
It also has been my experience, in general, that if you begin a dialogue in a confrontational manner, you will achieve confrontation.
I also can't help but feel that you wouldn't have completely edited/rewritten your original post if you actually believed yourself to be in the right once you'd had a chance to reflect.
It also has been my experience, in general, that if you begin a dialogue in a confrontational manner, you will achieve confrontation.
I also can't help but feel that you wouldn't have completely edited/rewritten your original post if you actually believed yourself to be in the right once you'd had a chance to reflect.
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I agree with you both, Bill & me have had some deals in the past & have become friends, He is an honest & up front person. I think Someone is just looking for some attention
If you like the knife & want the knife then contact one of the cusome knife makers on here & have them make you a nice custom sheath for the knife ! Have a nice day 
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I think it is important to point out that this buyer is a non-paying member who has only been here for a couple months and this is the second dispute he has had with a seller. I think that speaks for itself. If anyone should be in the good,bad,ugly it should be him.
I read the original sale thread when it was first posted and saw the picture and it was clear to me that the strap wouldn't snap over the handle. It was also clear it was a generic sheath that fit many knives OK but none of them good.
I see the OP having buyers remorse and trying to split hairs with the "snap will snap but not over the handle" argument. He is tarnishing the good reputation of Dr. Bill, a long time BFC member who has proven himself as honest.
I've added another one (OP) to my "do not sell to or buy from" list. The list has grown substantially, mostly in the last twelve months. What's with all the whiners lately?
I see the OP having buyers remorse and trying to split hairs with the "snap will snap but not over the handle" argument. He is tarnishing the good reputation of Dr. Bill, a long time BFC member who has proven himself as honest.
I've added another one (OP) to my "do not sell to or buy from" list. The list has grown substantially, mostly in the last twelve months. What's with all the whiners lately?
I'm not sure this post/thread is going away. The mods may close it, but you may have to upgrade your membership so that you can close it yourself.
You opened a can of worms by calling out a long-time, respected member of the board, and you're going to have to deal with the fallout, I suspect.
If you bought the item thinking that the snap wouldn't even work, it was actually a bonus to find out that the snap did function.
Either way, the sheath was going to require a modification/fix. Should take all of $3 and a little time to replace that strap.
I'm calling buyer's remorse on this one, and all I see is someone trying to sully the reputation of another based on sour grapes.
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For those that are saying no deal should be done until both parties are happy, I have two questions, if you feel like answering them. These assume an individual is selling to another individual.
1. Do you feel like you should be able to buy a knife just to see if you like the feel or look of it, and then return it if you just don't like something about it when it is a "perfect" example of the model? Or exactly as described anyway.
2. Would you be willing to return a knife you really like if the seller decides he is not happy after selling?
Just curious.
1. Do you feel like you should be able to buy a knife just to see if you like the feel or look of it, and then return it if you just don't like something about it when it is a "perfect" example of the model? Or exactly as described anyway.
2. Would you be willing to return a knife you really like if the seller decides he is not happy after selling?
Just curious.
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