Sale Proxy Requests

I have noticed an unfortunate trend over the past few months of "bounties" being offered for services (to be) provided, whether via proxy or via sale / trade.

It's an unfortunate trend forum-wide exhibited by members who are in it for a fast buck, or fulfilling a personal goal, but more disturbing to see the trend taking hold here.

What set this forum apart was the civility, gentility and generosity on display in the short time I've been participating. (And I believe that's still the norm.)
 
If the Admins do not want to allow paid proxies then that’s completely fine with me; however, if they don’t mind that’s fine too IMO.

I myself have proxied for people here and have never taken payment. That being said there are proxy requests that go unanswered here. I have the means to offer some cash as a an incentive so I offered it. Capitalism abounds here, and we are talking about cool knives and not essential food items. There are also plenty of people here that flip their CPK’s for profit. It’s not the same I understand, but it’s not so far different either. This is absolutely a great place to be and hang out regardless.
 
I always saw the proxy idea as something that fellow enthusiasts extended as a courtesy. Kind of hits differently when money is involved - more of a service rather than a helpful gesture.
 
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If the Admins do not want to allow paid proxies then that’s completely fine with me; however, if they don’t mind that’s fine too IMO.

I myself have proxied for people here and have never taken payment. That being said there are proxy requests that go unanswered here. I have the means to offer some cash as a an incentive so I offered it. Capitalism abounds here, and we are talking about cool knives and not essential food items. There are also plenty of people here that flip their CPK’s for profit. It’s not the same I understand, but it’s not so far different either. This is absolutely a great place to be and hang out regardless.
No worries, no judgment, but I decided to add a rule prohibiting payment for proxies via this thread. Obviously what you do outside of this thread is up to you.
 
Just for thought…...

Proxies have been one of the good things about this sub forum. Many have been helped in getting knives they otherwise would not have been able to acquire themselves for a multitude of reasons, myself included. Nathan and company have largely stayed out of it and we have self regulated. In that vain, I have noticed several offers to pay for proxies recently and it gives me pause and raises a couple questions.

Is that the way we want things to go with regards to proxies being asked for or given?

If it becomes monetized, will we get to a point that only those that are willing to pay the most for a proxy receive them?

Will there be folks who show up to sales only to profit off of those who can’t make them?

I could be wrong, but I believe this came up back when proxies first became a thing and was discouraged.

I agree I hope it doesn't become a "thing".
 
If the Admins do not want to allow paid proxies then that’s completely fine with me; however, if they don’t mind that’s fine too IMO.

I myself have proxied for people here and have never taken payment. That being said there are proxy requests that go unanswered here. I have the means to offer some cash as a an incentive so I offered it. Capitalism abounds here, and we are talking about cool knives and not essential food items. There are also plenty of people here that flip their CPK’s for profit. It’s not the same I understand, but it’s not so far different either. This is absolutely a great place to be and hang out regardless.
I saw your offer earlier and it got me thinking about this subject again, but I hope you don’t think I was singling you out as I have had these questions in my mind for some time. If I did make you feel like you had to defend it, I apologize. Your post is just the most recent that made me feel we should have this dialogue.

I don’t believe this is an admin issue at all. Dare I say, Nathan doesn’t want to weigh in on stuff like this, and should he have to, I suspect the answer could very well be that we just won’t allow proxies anymore alt all. I think that would be a huge loss to the CPK community.

I personally don’t really care if anyone wants to offer $10 or $1000 for a proxy, donate to charity or push their money in a pile and burn it, that is their business.

My concern is that it will take the proxy “system” as it was conceived, which was for fans of CPKs to help other fans of CPKs when they could, and it will destroy it.

I feel like it will just be a thing where the only people who get proxies will be those willing to pay the most for them. That isn’t why the proxy system started.

I also feel like there could be people that show up with little to no interest in CPK at all, but have the skills to score consistently and profit of the members here. Again, that would not be why the proxy system started.

Also, what does it say to Nathan that someone would make possibly hundreds of dollars just for making a post on one of his sales and they don’t even want a knife? Getting paid like a distributor without any of the commitment is what it sounds like to me.

My own position on this is that paying for or charging for proxies is not a positive and it is against the spirit of why it was started. I think if it continues down this road and draws the attention of Nathan or worse, requires the attention of Nathan, we will see him end the process all together. This is not an admin issue, this is our issue, that is why I wanted us to think about it, talk about it and come to some sort of understanding as a whole. We have already likely killed the possibility of pre-orders, I would be just as disappointed to see proxies go the same way.
 
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It seems that when a proxy who is a genuine CPK fan offers the proxy service to another genuine CPK fan without the introduction of money into the transaction, it seems as though that kind of transaction brings us closer as a group of true CPK fans. We have greater appreciation for those who help out of the goodness and kindness within their hearts as opposed to those who do it for profit, which frankly is a huge turnoff even if $ is no issue.
 
I will respectfully withdraw my offer to pay for a proxy. I appreciate all of the kind and thoughtful feedback, and I do not feel attacked. I do get it and I understand where everyone is coming from. As a point of understanding though I want to share my train of thought. I have been on this board for a long time and have managed to get a pretty large collection of CPK knives. I have never once asked for a proxy before, but since I know I'll be traveling I wanted to hedge my bets as much as possible (I absolutely love my SFDK and I absolutely love Bowies). I completely understand the negative connotations associated with paying for a proxy; however, it's very likely that someone lucky enough to score one of these knives will be selling it here on BladeForums within a month for hundreds over drop price. I simply do not have the time to browse this forum enough to be one of the first to see when knives come up for sale on the secondary. The end result is the mostly same, someone spends hundreds over drop price for a CPK; the difference is that I lose control of making myself the buyer. I also want to be clear that I'm not bashing anyone for selling a knife that they own for whatever price they want, life happens and people need to do what they need to do. At the end of the day I have quite a few real friends here on BladeForums, and this is truly a good group of people that I'm happy to be a part of. It's also probably not life or death that I "need" a SDFK Bowie, but it's close!
 
I will respectfully withdraw my offer to pay for a proxy. I appreciate all of the kind and thoughtful feedback, and I do not feel attacked. I do get it and I understand where everyone is coming from. As a point of understanding though I want to share my train of thought. I have been on this board for a long time and have managed to get a pretty large collection of CPK knives. I have never once asked for a proxy before, but since I know I'll be traveling I wanted to hedge my bets as much as possible (I absolutely love my SFDK and I absolutely love Bowies). I completely understand the negative connotations associated with paying for a proxy; however, it's very likely that someone lucky enough to score one of these knives will be selling it here on BladeForums within a month for hundreds over drop price. I simply do not have the time to browse this forum enough to be one of the first to see when knives come up for sale on the secondary. The end result is the mostly same, someone spends hundreds over drop price for a CPK; the difference is that I lose control of making myself the buyer. I also want to be clear that I'm not bashing anyone for selling a knife that they own for whatever price they want, life happens and people need to do what they need to do. At the end of the day I have quite a few real friends here on BladeForums, and this is truly a good group of people that I'm happy to be a part of. It's also probably not life or death that I "need" a SDFK Bowie, but it's close!
I've got you. Cant promise i'll land one of course 🤪
 
Thank you Grenock for posting this. Im guilty of it but never looked at it that way. I mostly agree with Ben but have zero interest in ruffling any feathers around here.

What is your take on offering people extra $ after noticing they scored? Or posting a WTB well over cost? Is it frowned upon if I do it before the drop and if so how long until it is not frowned upon?

Thank you Sir
 
Thank you Grenock for posting this. Im guilty of it but never looked at it that way. I mostly agree with Ben but have zero interest in ruffling any feathers around here.

What is your take on offering people extra $ after noticing they scored? Or posting a WTB well over cost? Is it frowned upon if I do it before the drop and if so how long until it is not frowned upon?

Thank you Sir
Hey Eric, first, it wasn't directed toward you either, I wasn't really thinking of anyone specific, but thought it was something we should air out collectively before it became an issue later on.

I certainly recognize the reasons and motives for doing so, both you and Ben should know I have little shame in my game. So. I understand why someone would want to either insure they get a proxy with an incentive or secured a better one by doing so. Game recognizes game. That said, I hope, and I think you both do, and anyone else, can understand what my reservations about the practice are and just take a moment to ponder the possible outcomes I described and whether or not they are valid, and if they are, if that's okay with you if it plays out any of those ways. That's all, I just wanted everyone to think about it before it became an even more common practice. If after that, the majority says it's cool, well, we'll charge on and see what happens.

Second, I don't make the rules around here about anything. I am confident in my last appointed position which was Head of Nothing. So, you rock on and do what you do, if some of us thinks it stinks, we'll tell ya', but you don't have to listen. If Nathan tells you it stinks, well, thats a different animal and that will work itself out pretty quickly at that point.

Since you asked, here is my take on your above scenarios. These are my opinions only, and as such, are worth half as much as the toilet paper you wiped your ass with last week, but you asked, so here goes.

Someone scores in a sale, and you PM them and offer $XXX over what they paid to send it your way after they get it? I don't see a problem with that.

Someone scores in a sale, and you reply in the sale thread that you will give them $XXX to give up their spot to you? This is bad form. It actually happened a year or two ago as I recall and was rebuffed by the members, and I think Nathan even weighed in on it with a less than positive opinion of that practice.

Posting a WTB well over cost? On an out of production or retired knife, of course, that's the game. On a knife that is still in production and has been available a while, eh, okay, it's your money, I'd still try and get one from the mothership first if it was me. For a knife that hasn't been released yet or is in very limited supply/high demand, I'd say it is a bad thing. In this case, it isn't really any different that offering to pay for a proxy, it may lead to someone who has no interest in the knife scoring one just make money off of you, the zero-responsibility distributor middle finger to Nathan again. Lastly, that guy who just scored for his own profit and didn't want the knife, just kept someone who really did from getting it, which is not something Nathan is into from my interpretations of his thoughts on similar subjects.

Just my thoughts since you asked. I am sure you and I could have a long conversation about collecting and what we both think is the right way and the wrong way to go about it. I am sure we share common ground on most things and probably differ on others, and that's cool too. Really, it would come down to neither of us is right nor wrong, we just each have our own way of doing things, well, that and one of us already has them all...............😜
 
Since Grenock Grenock is already waxing philosophical, I figured could sneak in without getting my balls busted too hard for doing the same.

Most, if not all of us here are familiar with collecting and the different ways of going about it. It’s a knife forum, full of knife nerds who are all plugging into a community where we have common interests. I would hate for anyone to feel shame for going about their hobby the way they see fit. Personally, I make a comfortable living and can afford to buy the knives I want but I can't justify buying 10 of the very same knife - it just doesn't make much sense to me. However, that doesn't mean I get to project that same outlook on someone who really does want 10 of the same knife - who am I to judge? Different strokes and all of that.

There isn't anyone here that I have felt the need to judge (and even if I did, it's not my job or place). It's a killer group here and it's one of the reasons that it has become one of my go-to places on the forums in general. I celebrate when the folks here get a win - it is almost as gratifying to see a buddy land a fish than landing one myself (almost.... 😁).

Still, I think the general sentiment has been made clear - when one starts to wave money around, then the less scrupulous start to come out of the woodwork and all of the sudden, we have a far less welcoming community with a bunch of names we don't recognize collecting tidy profits on knives they don't care about. I'm not into that and I can't imagine that others are either.

I need a drink now.

Lost in all of the philosophical muck are these fine folks who have requested a proxy, let's not forget them.

- E Elgatodeacero
- I ipal
- Henry Beige Henry Beige
- ferider ferider
- Meridian Meridian
- zmbhntr zmbhntr

If I wasn't trying to land a fish myself this go around, I'd offer to try for one of you lads. Hopefully someone else can oblige.
 
I see little purpose in making a high performance knife that offers an outstanding bang for the buck if it can't get into the hands of people who want a quality knife for their kit.

My goal with this company was to make a cutting tool that was as good a "value" as the knives you might buy at Walmart but a very high end knife with the best design, ergonomics, and metallurgy available anywhere at any price. We don't cut corners where it matters, but we try to keep the work simple and straightforward and avoid expensive features that serve no real purpose.

The one thing that would really add a lot of cost to the work that serves absolutely no purpose at all are people swooping in to buy the work just to turn around and sell it to the people who want the work and add a cost without adding any real value.


If you want one of my knives, please buy one. If you're looking to profit on the people who want one of my knives, please go away.


This is a great community that we have attracted here to my sub forum and I'm very proud of it. Let's keep this place classy and avoid things that will incentivize flippers if we can help it.

You're all grown men, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will encourage you all to be kind to one another, let's keep this place fun because knife collecting is supposed to be fun, and let's not encourage activity that is going to attract the flippers here.

It's not that I have a problem with someone profiting on my work. I think that's great. More power to you.

I have a problem with someone profiting off of my customers by putting themself into an interaction they didn't need to be in, adding complexity and cost to the people who just want to buy a knife.
 
Some good points about the proxies, paid and unpaid. Good luck to everyone who is buying one to use this fine tool. Time to roll the dice this Friday lads, it will be over quicker than you can blink.

Thanks Nathan for making such useful blades, I have many knives and yours definitely have something special. With the combination of blade geometry, handle ergonomics, steel and heat treat. The excellent customer service is much appreciated as well.
 
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