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SanRenMu 710
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yes, there are some differences, some obvious and some less so.
what bothers me is not the subtle differences, but the obvious similarities. it seems pretty clear that sanremu is capable of making a decent product at a ridiculously low price. there is no good reason to make knives so similar to existing designs that when you first see one you automatically think of the original. the similarities between this and a sebenza are too obvious to ignore.
what they are doing is making a connection with crk, benchmade, etc, in order to sell products rather than doing so based on their own creativity.
what bothers me is not the subtle differences, but the obvious similarities. it seems pretty clear that sanremu is capable of making a decent product at a ridiculously low price. there is no good reason to make knives so similar to existing designs that when you first see one you automatically think of the original. the similarities between this and a sebenza are too obvious to ignore.
what they are doing is making a connection with crk, benchmade, etc, in order to sell products rather than doing so based on their own creativity.
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Now this may be going too far!!!
SanRenMu doesn't make the Bee, Navy, Enlan or Ganzo knives, but they do act as distributors. SanRenMu does make the Land branded knives, though (there is more than one company in China making knives).
As for SanRenMu making knives with obvious similarities to American brands, to me it's no different than Benchmade or Sog's knives that look miraculously similar to the Cara Cara (the Pika and Sogzilla, respectively).
As for SanRenMu making knives with obvious similarities to American brands, to me it's no different than Benchmade or Sog's knives that look miraculously similar to the Cara Cara (the Pika and Sogzilla, respectively).
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that's not a good thing either.
but using that as a justification makes even less sense.
I'm not saying it justifies the practice, but I am making the point that just about every knife company does it - not just the Chinese manufacturers. Singling them out for it just seems... kind of odd. I mean, how many copies of the Buck 110 were made? Or the original Ka-Bar Marine Fighting Knife?
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actually, most knife companies do not do it. you're way off base.
sanremu has been singled out here because they are who the thread is about.
there were a couple threads about the sogs not so long ago. there have been many threads about benchmade's use of the spydie hole.
there have been threads about mtech, cold steel, and many other companies.
It's ridiculous to get so whiny about copies. Copying is a fact of life in many industries. Not only cutlery.
Copying isn't wrong. No matter how many hurt feelings it causes. It only begins to be wrong when it's a violation of actual intellectual property. And even then, the burden is pretty much on the IP holder to defend their IP.
Copying isn't wrong. No matter how many hurt feelings it causes. It only begins to be wrong when it's a violation of actual intellectual property. And even then, the burden is pretty much on the IP holder to defend their IP.
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Gonna have to disagree with you on the Pika vs the Cara Cara. The Pika is closer to the AFCK, with a back lock:
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bought a Sanrenmu 710 this morning at like 5am, I actually brain farted when i did this though...being currently in Australia, customs may end up seizing it, but since I cant afford a sebbie atm due to immigration costs I figured its not such a bad thing when I am getting a sebbie regardless.
Fingers crossed it slips past customs
Fingers crossed it slips past customs
bought a Sanrenmu 710 this morning at like 5am, I actually brain farted when i did this though...being currently in Australia, customs may end up seizing it, but since I cant afford a sebbie atm due to immigration costs I figured its not such a bad thing when I am getting a sebbie regardless.
Fingers crossed it slips past customs
Should be alright Robert, I've gotten quite a few one handed opening folders through from the US with no issues.
As for the issue about obvious design copy, I just can't support it, based on general principle.
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yeah, i've brought in a few...bit paranoid since hearing about peoples misfortune with customs seizing their knives (some worth more than this little thing). Kinda excited, besides a CRKT kiss this will be my first frame lock folder.
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I have their small axis model (3rd knife in the pic). They managed to copy the real thing 100%, smooth opening and closing with zero bladeplay. (I experienced a very minimal vertical bladeplay at the Ganzo Snody clone.)
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SRM homepage: http://www.sanrenmuknives.com/en/
I used and tested several 710's, it's a perfect little backup EDC folder for the price. :thumbup: (Flea markets/chinese shops approx. 7-10 USD in Hungary.)
It could withstand real hard abusement, as one of our forumites (9mm.hu) cut a think screw with it, pounded by a hammer...
I'm also using the bigger, Axis-clone
Land MC962, it is surprisingly good EDC knife! For ~14 USD, it's a tough SOB. :thumbup:
Nowadays SRM sells ceramic kitchen knives an multitools too - soon they become the chinese Linder...
I used and tested several 710's, it's a perfect little backup EDC folder for the price. :thumbup: (Flea markets/chinese shops approx. 7-10 USD in Hungary.)
It could withstand real hard abusement, as one of our forumites (9mm.hu) cut a think screw with it, pounded by a hammer...
I'm also using the bigger, Axis-clone
Land MC962, it is surprisingly good EDC knife! For ~14 USD, it's a tough SOB. :thumbup:
Nowadays SRM sells ceramic kitchen knives an multitools too - soon they become the chinese Linder...
Lay an FRN Cara Cara and a Pika side by side. Same cutting edge profile. Same feel on the handles. Same profile on the top and back of the handles. Same weight. Same manufacturing style. Same lock.
Comparing a Pika to a stainless steel-handled Cara Cara in pictures really doesn't do anything.
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Regardless of intentions or personal justifications, anyone who buys these blatant copies of branded knives is supporting not only theft of intellectual property, but implicitly complicit in supporting indentured lifetime servitude. Most of us do realize the reality of the current environment in that we live in a "Wal-Mart" age, and people will buy based on low prices while always "wanting" more than they will every really "need". The only way for US companies to survive is to continuously innovate new products and vigorously protect their copyrights/trademarks as long a they can.
On principle and with occasional hypocrisy, I have a hard time buying products made with "blood money" - clothes, furniture, and of course, knives. But freedom is always a double edged sword. Freedom to choose is paramount, even if the choices are bad.
On principle and with occasional hypocrisy, I have a hard time buying products made with "blood money" - clothes, furniture, and of course, knives. But freedom is always a double edged sword. Freedom to choose is paramount, even if the choices are bad.
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The Sanrenmu's are styled like other knives, but not exact copies. I have used my black 710 at work for over six months and it has held up really well. The 8cr13mov blade steel doesn't hold an edge forever, but it holds a cutting edge for long enough and sharpens easily. My 710 had two bronze washers on one side of the blade and one bronze/one nylon one the other side. Here's a recent pic:
These are the others that I have:
I also have a couple of the Ganzo knives. The HK/Benchmade 14205 ripoff is pretty nice, but I would never have purchased it if I had known it was a complete ripoff of another knife. It does make me want to buy the HK though.
These are the others that I have:
I also have a couple of the Ganzo knives. The HK/Benchmade 14205 ripoff is pretty nice, but I would never have purchased it if I had known it was a complete ripoff of another knife. It does make me want to buy the HK though.
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I will not support this company. Their knives are just not worth it IMO. Had one at the flee market and it just felt flimsy and crappy. Not bringing the copying of the Sebenza, Axis lock into the equation.
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The Pika (introduced 2004) was on the market before the Byrd Cara Cara (introduced SHOT show 2005). Both good, just different.
jekostas
The Pika (introduced 2004) was on the market before the Byrd Cara Cara (introduced SHOT show 2005). Both good, just different.
Sorry, I should've been clearer on that - the Pika II, not the original Pika.
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The ones I've seen have been decent from Sanrenmu. The company has off shoot companies associated with it I guess. Navy, Land, and Ganzo ?? Anyway, those three seem more intent on copy and clone work to me than Sanrenmu per say as most of the stuff by SRM seems pretty much to be their own designs. The 710 has been said to be 'a Sebenza clone' but I have compared both side by side in detail and honestly, the Bradley Alias has more in common with the Sebenza. The Ganzo and Navy companies appear to be the ones really guilty of some cloning. They seem to copy old discontinued patterns from USA companies as well as current models. Here are just a few that for all practical purposes look to be exacting clones down to the mm with the only obvious differences being stampings and blade steel.
If I'm not mistaken, what we have here are basically a Spyderco Lil Temp clone complete with compression lock, a Benchmade 14205 clone complete with axis lock middle which both appear pretty much identical to the real deal models and a Jot Singh Khalsa similar to some I've had mailed to me before for something to do with the pocket clip and sharpening but it is slightly different looking from the original Spderco C40 in some ways.
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If I'm not mistaken, what we have here are basically a Spyderco Lil Temp clone complete with compression lock, a Benchmade 14205 clone complete with axis lock middle which both appear pretty much identical to the real deal models and a Jot Singh Khalsa similar to some I've had mailed to me before for something to do with the pocket clip and sharpening but it is slightly different looking from the original Spderco C40 in some ways.
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