SanRenMu 710

STR said:
The ones I've seen have been decent from Sanrenmu. The company has off shoot companies associated with it I guess. Navy, Land, and Ganzo ?? Anyway, those three seem more intent on copy and clone work to me than Sanrenmu per say as most of the stuff by SRM seems pretty much to be their own designs. The 710 has been said to be 'a Sebenza clone' but I have compared both side by side in detail and honestly, the Bradley Alias has more in common with the Sebenza. The Ganzo and Navy companies appear to be the ones really guilty of some cloning.
STR
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I agree completely, some of them may look similar, but none of them are exact clones, maybe except for the kiss clone :foot: but either way i have a few of their knives and they are great!
 
DallasSTB said:
Regardless of intentions or personal justifications, anyone who buys these blatant copies of branded knives is supporting not only theft of intellectual property, but implicitly complicit in supporting indentured lifetime servitude. Most of us do realize the reality of the current environment in that we live in a "Wal-Mart" age, and people will buy based on low prices while always "wanting" more than they will every really "need". The only way for US companies to survive is to continuously innovate new products and vigorously protect their copyrights/trademarks as long a they can.

On principle and with occasional hypocrisy, I have a hard time buying products made with "blood money" - clothes, furniture, and of course, knives. But freedom is always a double edged sword. Freedom to choose is paramount, even if the choices are bad.
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Good post with noble intent , it's too bad that you ( or anyone else ) has very little choice in the matter. Don't take it personally , there's not much you can do other than becoming a minimalist/luddite.

If these Chinese companies ever actually start using their collective (no pun intended ) brains , we are truly in for a world of hurt.
They have shown that they can put out quality merch , now if only they can stop copying and coming up with their own designs !

Imagine if they made their own 'supersteels' as they certainly have the tech to do so , imagine if they started using those supersteels in conjunction with titanium and good , solid designs of their own making , then certain companies are going to poop a brick , so to speak.

As to whether any of this is right or wrong ? It doesnt really matter what we think , as I said you have no choice in the matter , at all , period - China makes all the tech based things we use now , not America. I've said this many times in these arguements that when you respond to me you will be responding on a keyboard made in China , seeing your text on a LCD made in China , clicking post with your mouse , also made in China. You will heat your lunch in a microwave , made in China , listen to the news or watch Judge Judy on entertainment systems , made in China.... Agh I can go on but it's making me sick to my stomach , literally.

Dont worry though , it is not your fault , or mine , we did not sell our Western countries out. Now I'm out before the thread gets more off topic and I get yellowed :D


I guess could add that I have no real interest in those knives since all metal handles give me the willies... If they made a half G10 version I might bite for s's & g's.

Tostig
 
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My opinion.

The seller on eBay uses Sanrenmu as nickname. He sells all those (SRM, Ganzo, Navy). It doesn't mean he is from the company that makes Sanrenmu or SRM (the company) makes the other brand.

I don't deny their similarity to the original design, but if anyone get the catalog in PDF, I think most of their lines are not exact copy (at least in size) of the original model. From it also obvious that Land series are meant to be their 'higher end' ones, and that they don't make Navy, Ganzo, etc.

I have several of them, those purchased 1-2 year ago have much less QC than recent model. Got one GB-763 using axis, lockup very well. The only thing I can't be sure is how durable the spring. Their liner lock, framelock & backlock are all solid!

As a beater, I don't find anyhing wrong, so I can keep my CRKT Point Guard in the drawer ;)
 
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I have a 710 and a 962 (axis) and considering I payed about $15 total with free shipping, you really can't beat it. The QC is surprisingly good. They are about the same level as the Byrd/Tenacious line. Lock up is perfect on both. The 962 is just a smooth and fun to play with as my grip. The 710 is a little sticky opening, but it hasn't been broken in or adjusted yet. Blade steel is pretty soft, but they are $5 and $10 knives.
 
Tostig said:
Good post with noble intent , it's too bad that you ( or anyone else ) has very little choice in the matter. Don't take it personally , there's not much you can do other than becoming a minimalist/luddite.....
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Totally agree, it's the world we live in. The only statement I can personally make is with my wallet when I see an obvious rip-off.

At the very least Sanrenmu doesn't produce direct counterfeits such as this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Survival-Bowie-...606077850?pt=Collectible_Knives#ht_500wt_1154

Thats atrocious.
 
DallasSTB said:
Regardless of intentions or personal justifications, anyone who buys these blatant copies of branded knives is supporting not only theft of intellectual property, but implicitly complicit in supporting indentured lifetime servitude. Most of us do realize the reality of the current environment in that we live in a "Wal-Mart" age, and people will buy based on low prices while always "wanting" more than they will every really "need". The only way for US companies to survive is to continuously innovate new products and vigorously protect their copyrights/trademarks as long a they can.

On principle and with occasional hypocrisy, I have a hard time buying products made with "blood money" - clothes, furniture, and of course, knives. But freedom is always a double edged sword. Freedom to choose is paramount, even if the choices are bad.
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Oh here we go! We (all of us collectively) share in the responsibility here. Our manufacturers, that is USA manufacturers, and individuals went to China, Taiwan, Japan before these and all to save a buck! It started out to improve the bottom line for the companies, which meant less out of pocket for consumers and the consumers bought the products making them by action say loudly they agreed with the plan. They gave away any rights to anything the minute they opened this door and I think they took the risk knowingly. IP is out the window the minute you cross a border. No, spare me the blood money routine. We collectively made the bed we sleep in and now we can just collectively sleep in it reaping what we sow. I hope it was worth the savings short term. Anyone trying to pass this off as belonging to someone else or being someone else's problem is amusing to me because we all share in this collectively like it or not. There isn't one among us that can claim a life absent of China, Taiwan, or Japanese products. Just not possible. If you do you simply don't realize how embedded these products are in our daily lives.

We did it collectively to save a buck. Enjoy your savings!

STR
 
I am on record as saying that I don't approve of Chinese products. However, I have run across one Chinese product that stopped me in my tracks and that is the Bee L05 folder. The fit and finish on the Bee is as good (or better) than any other 'name' folder that I own. I kid you not, every aspect of the Bee is well done and if this represents the future of Chinese production, then a lot of knife companies should be very afraid. I have no hesitation in recommending a Bee knife.
 
being made in china or taiwan, in and of itself, is not a factor in my decision to purchase.
 
A.P.F. said:
I am on record as saying that I don't approve of Chinese products. However, I have run across one Chinese product that stopped me in my tracks and that is the Bee L05 folder. The fit and finish on the Bee is as good (or better) than any other 'name' folder that I own. I kid you not, every aspect of the Bee is well done and if this represents the future of Chinese production, then a lot of knife companies should be very afraid. I have no hesitation in recommending a Bee knife.
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AAHHHH, don't tell me that! I have been trying very hard not to order any more knives from China, but that particular Bee has been calling to me. I have been telling myself that those Bee and Enlan knives must be crap so that I can restrain from clicking the "add to cart" button. Sigh...
 
when we screw up and cut our finger sharpening or screwing around with a knife - our finger never seems to care what country the blade was from - just that it cut us open! :D

stupid - I know, just trying to interject a bit of levity. :o
 
oxbld said:
The Sanrenmu's are styled like other knives, but not exact copies. I have used my black 710 at work for over six months and it has held up really well. The 8cr13mov blade steel doesn't hold an edge forever, but it holds a cutting edge for long enough and sharpens easily. My 710 had two bronze washers on one side of the blade and one bronze/one nylon one the other side...
I also have a couple of the Ganzo knives. The HK/Benchmade 14205 ripoff is pretty nice, but I would never have purchased it if I had known it was a complete ripoff of another knife. It does make me want to buy the HK though.
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I'm not ripping on you, only trying to understand the logic involved here. Ok, so you are saying you bought the Sebenza knock off/clone because it was cheap, etc. But had you known the HK clone/ripoff was an actual HK clone/ripoff you would not have bought it? Did you not think the 710 looks like a Sebenza at all? I'm curious to know. It's a little hard to believe is all.
 
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RevDevil said:
I'm not ripping on you, only trying to understand the logic involved here. Ok, so you are saying you bought the Sebenza knock off/clone because it was cheap, etc. But had you known the HK clone/ripoff was an actual HK clone/ripoff you would not have bought it? Did you not thing the 710 looks like a Sebenza at all? I'm curious to know. It's a little hard to believe you know.
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A lot of knives look like others. The Schrade LB7 sure looked a hell of a lot like a Buck 110 but it never kept anyone from buying them but I'm sure a lot of folks wondered how such a blatant copy would be legal at the time. In the end there is more similarity between the Buck 110 and Schrade LB7 than there is with the Sebenza and the so called Sebenza clone called the Sanrenmu 710. Superficial looks do not mean they are the same. You have to look deeper. Even on those that look to be exact clones there are probably differences. As I recall from something I read the other day on the forums, Les Paul Guitar lost law suits in court for the same reason when people could distinguish one guitar at a distance from the other. They may be similar but if not identical they are not the same and thats just the way it is apparently and all it takes to make it a non issue.

So if you can tell at a glance or at a distance that the Sebenza is not the Sanrenmu and the Sanrenmu is not the Sebenza they are different enough to be a non issue. So in other words its okay to be similar just not the same. While I'll be the first to agree there are some questionable knives in that line up from the companies we are discussing I bet side by side they are not the same. My guess is that just enough difference exists to let it slip by and be legal which would make a law suit a waste of time.

STR
 
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RevDevil said:
I'm not ripping on you, only trying to understand the logic involved here. Ok, so you are saying you bought the Sebenza knock off/clone because it was cheap, etc. But had you known the HK clone/ripoff was an actual HK clone/ripoff you would not have bought it? Did you not thing the 710 looks like a Sebenza at all? I'm curious to know. It's a little hard to believe you know.
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I do not see the 710 as a Sebenza clone. Its design was obviously inspired by the Sebenza, but changed in many ways. Yes, it is still similar, but SRM did make it a different knife. The Ganzo, on the other hand, is a blatant clone of the HK. Every curve, screw position, etc. was stolen from the HK design. It feels like I bought a counterfeit, which basically I did. The feeling of being ripped off came when I posted a picture of it in another thread and was informed by another member that it was a clone of the HK 14205.
 
My fear buying a clone of a Axis lock would be the springs and what to do once they break. I doubt you can get the spring replaced or send it back to SRM or Navy or whoever you buy the knife from and have them fix it. I guess you just end up buying a new knife altogether and throw the old one away. At least with ones like the compression lock, liner lock and frame lock models you have something that would last and not end up being a maintenance issue later. So in my mind the axis lock clones will not have the longevity of the others. I could be wrong but something tells me those are going to be an issue later with the mechanisms. That does appear to be an exacting clone to the 14205 but hopefully in the next couple weeks I'll get to handle both a 14205 and that clone side by side and see whether thats the case or not. I'll post some photos of them sitting beside each other once I have both here.

STR
 
oxbld said:
AAHHHH, don't tell me that! I have been trying very hard not to order any more knives from China, but that particular Bee has been calling to me. I have been telling myself that those Bee and Enlan knives must be crap so that I can restrain from clicking the "add to cart" button. Sigh...
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Hehe, you will be pleasantly surprised with the quality.
 
A.P.F. said:
However, I have run across one Chinese product that stopped me in my tracks and that is the Bee L05 folder. The fit and finish on the Bee is as good (or better) than any other 'name' folder that I own. I kid you not, every aspect of the Bee is well done and if this represents the future of Chinese production, then a lot of knife companies should be very afraid. I have no hesitation in recommending a Bee knife.
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I agree totally. I just recently got a Bee L06 (along with a Ganzo and a few Sanrenmu's) and, as you say, the fit and finish is very very good. It's really a very high quality product for the low price.
 
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