Schatt & Morgan Keystone Series #69 - Barlow ?

Luger1952

Luger1952

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I recently acquired a Schatt & Morgan Series #69 Barlow Spear Point. Nice knife but I have a question about the closed blade position. I have never owned a S & M (Queen) so I would appreciate someone's input. So anyway, the blade closed in the handle channel seems to rest/stop on a brass pin that doesn't extend through to the other side of the handle. This is about in the middle of the blade channel a little bit more towards the rear. It is not one of the brass pins holding the handles together. It is sort of slightly bent brass pin sticking into the channel and the blade sits on top of it. Seems kind of odd to me and I don't have any other traditional folder with this kind of design. The blade seems to be resting at the right height when closed with the blade tip slightly below the brass liners at he rear. Is this a normal design specification on these folders? Thanks for your help!
 
Charlie appreciate your help and insight on this. Here is the best picture I could get for what it is worth. Thanks!
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You can see if you look close where the blade touches this brass post or pin.
 
I would take a toothpick or something and see If I could dig that out of the blade well. It shouldn't be there.
If it is really attached to one of the liners, then I'm stumped. Does the edge of the blade show where it hits?
 
do you mean the brass pin at the butt end? if so, that is actually holding the knife together. It wedges the spring in place and holds the liners and scales together. Its pretty typical. My Boy's knives are all like that.
 
Looks like the pin is bent or it is a small piece that is stuck in there. Contact whoever you purchased it from or Schatt\Queen.
 
I think he's referring to the pin in the middle that appears to be slanted at an angle. I have a Schatt and that does not look normal to me. Email the picture to Elaine at Queen.
 
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I have the same knife at home. I'll run home on my lunch break and check it out.
 
I have a #69 Barlow in my bag today and there is a pin that secures the scales to the liner in roughly that same position (close to the spring). As already suggested, perhaps it is a protruding pin that was not cut off and finished flush or just a piece of debris. No matter what it is it should not be there.
 
black mamba said:
I would take a toothpick or something and see If I could dig that out of the blade well. It shouldn't be there.
If it is really attached to one of the liners, then I'm stumped. Does the edge of the blade show where it hits?
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I agree with black mamba.....If your blade was damaged because if it, send it back for a new one, if there's any available (only 100 made). If your blade was not damaged, try to tap it out with something. It looks as if a piece of a screw is "sandwiched" between the liners.
 
Looks like a piece of brass screw got wedged in there. A pair of small needle nose pliers should pull it out.
 
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Thanks gentlemen for your help and assistance--much appreciated. I will let you know what happens.
 
I don't like the word "defective" but that does look unusual to say the least.I had a look at my SM Shiner and the channel is clear.
If in fact it's meant to be there it looks.... errrm... a bit crap.
I'm thinking it shouldn't be there.
 
Brisket, the circle and arrows are VERY helpful.:D
I thought I saw something in the original photo, and the arrows confirm that I was actually looking at what I was supposed to!
FWIW, i agree that it looks like something strange in there.

- GT
 
Looks like the emporers new clothes to me.... :D Looks like an non polished buildup in the backspring; seen on most smaller knives.

I bet if you look from the side, the backspring pin that goes from one side to the other runs right thru that (I even think I can see the head of the pin from the top shot). On knives with smaller backsprings they will build it up a little there for strength around the hole. Nearly every smaller slipjoint has that; it is not required when the backspring gets big enough that the extra support is not required.

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If the blade is "rapping" (hitting the backspring when over-traveling on close), you will have a flat spot on the blade.

Of course I have been wrong before.... ( but not yet today ;) )
 
Is this not the head of backspring pin here? I am sure there is one very close to that position even if my assumption is wrong....

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Much like this one (borrowed picture)...

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At lunch I pulled this folder out to look more closely with brighter light. It is NOT a back spring pin. It is in close proximity but it is not. It sort of looks like it is coming into the frame liner at that position or level with the shield. There is a nicely drilled hole and this beat up bent pin sticking into the blade handle channel. There in NO hole in the opposing handle liner. It is poorly done but all I can think is either blade stop or a pin from the shield that was not finished correctly. That is cut off and polished smooth to the handle liner level. What do you think?

Thanks for all your great thoughts and ideas!
 
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