Schatt & Morgan Keystone Series #69 - Barlow ?

Knifewsapper

That is the knife (pictured in your post above) mine having the Spear Point blade. Same pin patern shield etc.
 
It should not be there!
The backspring pin goes through the spring in the middle of the knife, and is not visible under ordinary circumstances, inside the knife.
Whatever that is, it should not be there!!!
I just looked inside 30 knives old and new - no bent, ugly piece of brass pin is visible in any of them. The most you should see in the middle is a "bump" or raised hump on the spring which strengthens the assembly pin hole.
 
Luger1952 said:
Knifewsapper

That is the knife (pictured in your post above) mine having the Spear Point blade. Same pin patern shield etc.
Click to expand...

Then I am going to have to disagree with your lunchtime conclusion. As you can obviously see the backspring pin from the borrowed barlow picture above which goes thru the slab/liner/spring/liner/slab in the exact position of your anomaly. What you are seeing is a hump in the backspring which is either scarred from the blade rapping or just not buffed at all. That backspring would have to be built up where the large backspring pin goes thru, thus is shows as a hump like the two knives in my pictures (and illustrated below). Either way, it is not brass, you are just seeing it reflecting the liners. Again, I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

51.png
 
waynorth said:
It should not be there!
The backspring pin goes through the spring in the middle of the knife, and is not visible under ordinary circumstances, inside the knife.
Whatever that is, it should not be there!!!
I just looked inside 30 knives old and new - no bent, ugly piece of brass pin is visible in any of them. The most you should see in the middle is a "bump" or raised hump on the spring which strengthens the assembly pin hole.
Click to expand...

Friendly wager.... He tears it apart and shows us what it is. If I am right, you buy it; if I am wrong, I buy it :D

If it were the pin not contained wholely in the backspring you are correct. But he is not seeing brass; he is seeing steel reflecting brass.
 
Luger -get a toothpick and draw it through the channel. We'll soon find out whether it's a reflection or not. I wouldn't destroy the knife to find out.
 
weirdinnerbump_zpsef3bd06e.jpg


Hard to believe that is part of the backspring. Mike, I accept your bet!!:D

Luger? What say you??:confused:
 
Let me chop it apart and put it back together! Loser pays for shipping! No need to sacrifice a knife for no reason!

That definitely looks like the threaded pin holding the shield in place though... Just my opinion.
 
Last edited:
When I look at that picture, all I can see is the hump on the back spring. I can't see a pin/screw, but I don't have the knife in hand, or a very good pic to look at.
 
It is NOT a bump or hump in the back spring. It is NOT a reflection. It is a bent BRASS pin (read that circular in dimension) with space under it and not extending to the other side. It is coming out of a carefully drilled hole in the liner and this brass pin is protruding into the blade channel space. The back spring pin is below this protruding brass pin. It is up higher almost looks like I said coming from the shield at that inside depth. The blade I believe is hitting this pin and leaving a mark from contact and a brass colored speck on the blade. It is not a piece of brass pin debris wedged in the channel. It is solid and well secured but not precise in execution or craftsmanship. It is very strange and I have never seen anything like this ever. If this is a design feature or specification it is very poorly done. The knife itself is brand new but it has other problems like the lettered bolster is not finished correctly at the top. The brass liner as observed from the outside bottom is wrinkled for about a quarter of an inch just below the bolster. It is going back and I shall not buy another one of these ever. I will stick with GEC in the future which this doesn't come close to emulating in terms of quality. I have boxed it up and it will go back to seller tomorrow.

Thanks Charlie, Mike and others for your input and suggestions!
 
Definitely confirms my suspicions of it being the threaded pin holding the shield in place.

Here is my proof:
BCB99920-0B83-4670-B80F-DEE23DE6D750_zpsnobqvz0t.jpg


Good call on sending it back. I would normally let a lot of minor issues on behalf of the manufacturer slide, but that one is just sloppy and careless, and it negatively effects the blade.
 
So what we are looking at here my friends is the notorious "friday arvo job".
I don't think you should let this one niggly little problem colour your view of all SM knives.
one bad apple and all that.
Glad we got to the bottom of it.
images
 
Nonsense!! That sounds like the actions of someone that doesn't actually want to know ;)

Send it to esnyx instead of the seller. If we are not looking at the backspring, I will give you a prototype GEC #77 Barlow of your choice.

It's not a gamble if you are that sure :D Because there is not a doubt in my mind.

Otherwise PM me with who the seller is, so I can get it bought and do it myself in a live feed with Geraldo....
 
Hey now, what do I get out of this?!? I want a prototype #77 barlow!;)

Just kidding about the proto, but I will do it for free. Send it my way! PM me and I'll send you my address!
 
Bigfattyt said:
I think I see what you are talking about now.
Click to expand...

It does look like that could be feasible. But go to page one and look at the picture of the actual frame we are talking about (the SM Barlow in Winterbottom). Now imagine if that pin from the shield went into to well even at its lowest point that it could possible be pinned on. Now try and wrap your mind around how high the tip of that blade would be riding if the OP's belief that the blade is resting on that pin. The tip would be 3/4" in the air. There is no way the blade would be in the well at all if it were resting on an obstruction as high as that shield is.
 
esnyx said:
Hey now, what do I get out of this?!? I want a prototype #77 barlow!;)

Just kidding about the proto, but I will do it for free. Send it my way! PM me and I'll send you my address!
Click to expand...

Yes Dr. Frankenstein, but will Geraldo be there to authenticate the findings? :D
 
It looks like the pin was forced down to the backspring and mashed against the bottom. If you look at where it should be coming out of the liner, you can see that it looks kind of flat and angles downward before it straightens back out. That is probably why it closes and the tip doesn't protrude significantly.

blademan 13 said:
Yes Dr. Frankenstein, but will Geraldo be there to authenticate the findings? :D
Click to expand...

I'll have philllll film me take it apart as proof! His mustache rivals Gerlado's...
 
Last edited:
This is an awesome thread. Two of the smartest knife guys I know are ready to tear a knife apart to satisfy their curiosity! FUN!
 
surely a photo taken from a slightly different angle would resolve this? if the OP, who can see it from every angle, insists that it is a screw, how can we argue that? (though obviously it is fun :))
 
This is a fun thread. Subscribed. Definitely a pin IMO. I just cant figure out how the person assembling it let it go through.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top