Schatt & Morgan?

mrknife said:
very nice! are some of those single bladers?
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Yes....the one on the far upper left is a single blade teardrop. The small one (horizontally) just above the large hunter (the hunter is single blade also) is a single blade boy's knife from 2007. Spear blade.
Also....6th from the right is a single blade coke bottle.
 
I have a S&M Large Gunstock (stag) that I really like. Have had it about a year now and it was just about perfect as factory knives go.

As far as the question goes..... I group Case and Queen the same. I generally want to handle the knife in person when I buy one, but I cut them both slack but only in grind (sharpness and even on both sides). I fix that myself. My Queen Mountain Man is just about perfect. On S&M, I pretty much expect a near perfect knife and will send it back if it is not since S&M is supposed to be Queens top of the line. Tuna Valley.... one would have to be perfect as you are paying near custom prices for one. GEC.... overall I have been pleased, but I am not as picky as many here.
 
its hard because, i no longer have knife stores around me. most of my buying has been left to pictures and the word of members here. word and stats on the dealers pages is what i have to peruse that and youtube reviews.
 
I hear you, mrknife. It took me a while to purchase my first Queen because of the talk around here about their QC issues. Luckily, the Daniels family got a table at a local knife show and I was able to handle some in person. I was really impressed with their quality, and have bought several of their knives since. In the meantime I have only purchased one GEC, Mike's medium barlow SFO. For the last couple of months I have been EDCing two Queen knives and have been enjoying them immensely. I plan on doing an in-depth review and comparison between the Queen Ruple trapper and the GEC #23. I just have to find time.

In the meantime I'll say that my GEC buying days may be over. At the very least, I have significantly slowed down in my collection of GECs. I just find Queen to be a better deal overall. To each their own. Hopefully there's enough room in the pool for both companies to be successful going forward.
 
I make trips to one large knife store in TN a couple times a year. I spend hours looking at there inventory. I bought my one and only Canal Street (CSC) knife there. Expensive to be sure in stag. Been tempted to get one of the Kabar coppers made by CSC, but of the ones I have handled (in particular the barlow), they simply aren't big enough for me and I don't just buy them to collect. It may work out that way, but that is not the intention when I buy.
 
Cory Hess said:
I hear you, mrknife. It took me a while to purchase my first Queen because of the talk around here about their QC issues. Luckily, the Daniels family got a table at a local knife show and I was able to handle some in person. I was really impressed with their quality, and have bought several of their knives since. In the meantime I have only purchased one GEC, Mike's medium barlow SFO. For the last couple of months I have been EDCing two Queen knives and have been enjoying them immensely. I plan on doing an in-depth review and comparison between the Queen Ruple trapper and the GEC #23. I just have to find time.

In the meantime I'll say that my GEC buying days may be over. At the very least, I have significantly slowed down in my collection of GECs. I just find Queen to be a better deal overall. To each their own. Hopefully there's enough room in the pool for both companies to be successful going forward.
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precisely, since the selections been thinning out (rip CSC) i actually didnt see a lot of the queen opinions until Bob bigbiscuit pointed to me that there was a thread for queen knives, seldom frequented. but by then i had bought 5 already with some more on the way. i went with queen knives for a while because of the price, and because i really dont use most of my traditionals, the way the edge comes wasnt too big a deal. the fit and finish matters tho. dollar for dollar im content with what I paid for my Queens, and close enough on my GECs because some of em are limited releases and command a premium like the 2014 blade forums, which I sought high and low for, for months, missing them sometimes just by 40 minutes on the for sale section. I dont know why they get lumped in with Case tho. Case seems to be a mass producer to me.
 
afishhunter said:
Question for ya'll.
Considering the high price of a Queen product, why do they generally get a "pass" for dull edges, and uneven grinds, "misses" in fit and finish, and the other defects that are so commonly mentioned in the forums?
Why? Loose/uncentered blades, uneven grinds, gaps, etc. that other makers are raked over the coals for such defects, but Queen gets a pass and praise for a knife with the same defects. I do not understand why Queen is held to a lower standard than even Buck or Case.
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I've typed up 3 long responses, but I've deleted them all. I don't think they would have helped the tone, or pleased those trying to have a positive thread about a Queen or S&M.

Mine are a Queen/Pardee Gunboat in stag.




A Queen/Burke Grandad Barlow

And the S&M File and Wire grandad barlow X2.

I still have them all, and carry and use them.

To Brumby...

I have a small sample size. I'm aware that my 100% sampling of problem knives is not indicative of all knives they produce. I hope them the best, and really hope they continue to make knives for my kids and grandkids.

That said, the knives I have received and still have would have gone back if they had come from GEC or Case, or Buck, or AG Russell. That's not bashing, it's just my observation.

If I'm back in the market for traditionals, Queen and S&M are still on the list. They use steels I can't get from GEC or Case.
 
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Bigfattyt said:
They use steels I can't get from GEC or Case.
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Excellent point. I have a few Schatt & Morgan knives but none with ATS-34. Mine are all 420HC which is a satisfactory steel. Queen's D2 on the other hand, is my favorite blade steel. If every user knife I owned were Queen D2 I would be content, if not dancin' in the streets. Good stuff.
 
i've got an equal end (cigar) harness knife from the 16th or 17th keystone run that i really like. three blades-main spear, spey on same end as spear and punch on the other end. only complaint is the spey rubs a little on the main or the liner,don't remember off the top, but it doesn't comprise the knife for me. forget the color but i'm a little color blind so i'd probably get it wrong anyways. came razor sharp and shiny beautiful:). can't see getting rid of it ever-i wouldn't have a harness knife then! seriously f&f are outstanding and i'm as happy now as when i got it, couple of years after release. really liked the camp & scout knife above Wazu. gotta bug up my butt that i need one, but it'll pass, it'll pass
 
Railsplitter said:
Excellent point. I have a few Schatt & Morgan knives but none with ATS-34. Mine are all 420HC which is a satisfactory steel. Queen's D2 on the other hand, is my favorite blade steel. If every user knife I owned were Queen D2 I would be content, if not dancin' in the streets. Good stuff.
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Haha yes, as apostlep said when you buy from gec, you can have any steel you want as long as its 1095!
 
I'm very satisfied with this one: 4" Wormgroove Bone Swell Centre

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Single-spring Turkish Clip/ Coping

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Railsplitter said:
Excellent point. I have a few Schatt & Morgan knives but none with ATS-34. Mine are all 420HC which is a satisfactory steel. Queen's D2 on the other hand, is my favorite blade steel. If every user knife I owned were Queen D2 I would be content, if not dancin' in the streets. Good stuff.
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The ats34 is great stuff. It sharpens easily. Holds a fine edge. Longer, I, find than 1095.

My only experience with D2 is from Queen. I really enjoy it, except when I'm reprofiling it!
 
Carboniferous thanks, I'd recommend one as it's a burly, stout knife with elegance. As it was one of 600 (compare that with GEC's runs of 25 or less! Mind you, CASE/Bose Collabs are turned out in high numbers too...) it should be easy enough to locate.

Invoice Been very pleased with it thank you.:D

Here's a Heritage in Ebony. These were a mixed bunch, the quality was certainly variable on these knives which was a pity as Queen could've returned to the top of the tree if they had got this one sorted. They have steel liners and bolster, nice woods, great shield. My experience is that the bone ones, which oddly enough had brass liners, are more problem stricken: non existent snap, gappy, a real shame as they had potential. The wood ones I have seem to have acceptable F&F, snap & pull are quite light but OK, my main criticism is the blades themselves: rather short compared to handle length, big tang reducing the cutting edge and they're really thick and they arrived basically edgeless. However, with some work the carbon tunes up well and get a good one and these are desirable knives.:thumbup:

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Coco Spear

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What I like about S&M is they get out patterns nobody else is building. Their English Jacks are a case in point. I like the pattern, but most of the ones I've seen have bolsters that (to be nice) could be done better. Very little symmetry to them, and it's mostly due to heavy hands on the polishing wheel. I know just how tricky that is, but it's also the point where all the work done before can be trashed in a few seconds.

Anyways, here are a couple of mine.

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This lockback, by the way, is darn near perfect! It's as good a knife as anyone ever put out (baring customs).
 
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