Schatt & Morgan?

One other thing I've noticed is that Queen/S&M don't seem to have the in-store sales displays that I've seen from Case, Buck, or GEC. I live 15 miles from the Queen factory, and other than their building, I don't believe there is another store in the county that sells their line of knives. I'm not sure if they have a larger market in other parts of the country, or if they just focus on online sales.

I know that in the 70's and 80's, they made a huge push to sell their knives over seas, so they didn't have to compete with Case, Buck, Schrade. A huge part of their sales came from South Africa, and Central America.
 
I have a Schatt and Morgan sheepsfoot barlow. I carry it multiple times a week.
Pros: It came super sharp and has a great pull. ATS-34 steel. I love the half-stops.
Cons: It came with a slight blade wobble when open which, after fixing myself, is actually no problem at all.
I love the knife and I met Clarence Risner at a knife show. We spoke about the slight blade wobble and he offered to exchange the knife or give me a refund on the spot. He is a very nice man and I would not hesitate to purchase another S&M in the future.
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I got that one as soon as ordering was available. All that was available was the drawings of the knives. I thought the spear looked best then.
 
2Dead said:
I got that one as soon as ordering was available. All that was available was the drawings of the knives. I thought the spear looked best then.
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Good decision man! im gonna go back and buy that soon, and the rosewood one maybe, missed out on a Schatt and morgan #69 today on the for sale, too slow I guess
 
knarfeng said:
The Rockwell tester was patented in 1914 and were first made commercially in the early 1920's.
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haha, steel warrior still tests their knives that way, they leave a little sticker there too, rockwell tested 58! but it leaves like a scratch dot on the blade from testing
 
Brumby53 said:
Question for ya'll.
Considering the high price of a Queen product, why do they generally get a "pass" for dull edges, and uneven grinds, "misses" in fit and finish, and the other defects that are so commonly mentioned in the forums?
Seems to me it's a case of perception and perspective.
From My point of view I reckon Queen are not "high Price" they sit below GEC and offer great value for money in an American made knife.
Of the 8 Queen knives I have 7 are perfect IMHO none was delivered with dull edges, and uneven grinds, "misses" in fit and finish, and the other defects
The only Queen knife that I have that wasn't top notch when it arrived was an acknowledged factory second with some cosmetic imperfections on the handles and it is still perfectly okay as a user.
As for commonly mentioned in the forums I have been on the forum now for a couple of years and just twice (possibly 3 X ?? hardly common) have I seen a thread with Queen detractors - some folks just love bashing up very good companies on hearsay and rumor with no real foundation or personal experience.
If we continue to do this, pretty soon there will be no US companies making knives (RIP Canal Street Cutlery) and we will all have to make do with knives out of China - many perfectly acceptable - BUT none with any heritage or history and none creating and maintaining American Jobs.

Plenty of times in my life I have been told 'so & so' is a 'Rat-Bag' but when you get to know them they are perfectly fine upstanding people. Same applies to knives GEC or Queen or CSC...
For anyone considering a Queen knife or S&M knife DO NOT be put off by the likes of the above poster - get you hands on a couple and make up your own mind. Derek
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I don't want to bash Queen here, but I will add my own 2 cents. I've owned 4 Queen knives (ended up selling 2) and 3 Schatt & Morgan's. 2 of the Queens were absolutely perfect all around. 2 had the most incredibly dull, obtuse edges you can get. Not really a deal breaker, but D2 can be a "*" sharpen. All 3 of the S&M's suffered from really bad horizontal blade play and one of them had an extremely crooked blade grind which took quite a while to sharpen out. I had two of them re handled and tightened up. Personally, I love the really large patterns that Queen makes but I will say that their F&F is not consistent. When they do get it right, they're outstanding and even when they don't, I still like them. I'm not super picky though. If you're the person who sends a knife back because the blade's slightly off center, then Queen isn't for you.
 
draggat said:
I don't want to bash Queen here, but I will add my own 2 cents. I've owned 4 Queen knives (ended up selling 2) and 3 Schatt & Morgan's. 2 of the Queens were absolutely perfect all around. 2 had the most incredibly dull, obtuse edges you can get. Not really a deal breaker, but D2 can be a "*" sharpen. All 3 of the S&M's suffered from really bad horizontal blade play and one of them had an extremely crooked blade grind which took quite a while to sharpen out. I had two of them re handled and tightened up. Personally, I love the really large patterns that Queen makes but I will say that their F&F is not consistent. When they do get it right, they're outstanding and even when they don't, I still like them. I'm not super picky though. If you're the person who sends a knife back because the blade's slightly off center, then Queen isn't for you.
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yup, was just checking out my queen workhorse barlow, funkiest knife grind ive ever seen. uneven/wavy what ever it is on the pile side. shame i cant sharpen worth a bunch
 
I guess I've been pretty lucky compared to some. I have three knives made by Queen, a #69 1/2 in feathered buffalo horn, a Northwoods Everyday Barlow in blue bone, and an S&M #99 Scout in stag. Each one of them have minor flaws as will any knife but I'm completely happy with them and am sure if I used them as the oldtimers would they'd perform fine. I'm a fan and plan on buying more. Maybe some Winterbottom bone this time.
 
sad to say this, but i think my rough riders are better sharpened from the factory than this workhorse queen barlow
 
Some lovely knives posted.

I always want more of the stamped bolsters!


The MOP handled trapper looks great too!
 
My only S&M is this Kentucky Shiner Pint. It is a beautiful well made knife. The fit and finish is certainly quite acceptable. I will have to admit for some unknown reason I seldom carry this one. Oh yes, thanks to Stephen, who graciously donated this to Primble's basketball GAW last year, where I was the lucky winner of this S&M!:D

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knowtracks said:
A few more pre-Queen.....
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Dave
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Fantastic Old Hands there.:thumbup: Particularly like the tip-bolstered knives.:cool: GEC can claim to emulate Old School pocket-knives when they get round to producing some tip-bolstered patterns. (Many of their knives are carrying over large bolsters I feel) GEC could also do sunk-joints more as well, big credibility with me at least.

Here's my only example of an Old Hand by Schatt, pre Queen. Wormgroove bone Swayback with Sheepfoot master.

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Regards, Will
 
That is a Great prize Half/Stop !! :thumbup:
Thanks for posting that Beauty, Will :cool: Any chance we could see her with the blades open?


Dave
 
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