RED.... you may very well be right..I read the Sec.12020.(24) which was also the basis for the first web site you sent me to,and talks about "Dirks and Daggers.In this section12020 .(24) they say as long as it's not prohibited by Sec.653.(k) and I seen nothing that prohibited them......Then it stated...."A knife carried in a sheath,worn open and suspended from the waist of the warer(so you can't carry a knife for a friend????)are not concealed within the meaning of this section".It's precisely this kind of language which makes me wonder if there isn't a section in some corner of the code which when needed can be sited for the circumstances at hand.With a slightly diffrent definiton as it pretains to that situation...I.E....any knife longer than an eyelash of a eighteen year old pure bred Jack Russell carried,possessed,concealed,in plain sight ,in a sheath around the neck ,down a trowser ,in a boot,with a fixed blade ,an auto or maneual opening folded blade,tarnished,polished,regaurdless of handle,in the rain ,sun ,sleet,or snow..could be constued as a concealed weapon if at the moment of discovery by the party feeling treatened such party had conclusive evidence that indeed the Jack Russell in question was eighteen years of age,and did not conflict with any other section of this code.THAT IS THE WAY MOST CALIF. LAW IS WRITTIN...If in the morning you called (and got to talk to ) the Calif.Attorney Genral and ask for a list of leagal weapons as of that day HE COULD NOT AND WUOLD NOT GIVE YOU ONE ....SO ... I'm still not totaly convinced...THX RED....hogdog