Scout Pattern

I always thought it funny that Camillus put double liner locks on their Cub knives but not the BSA. I guess the older kids were better knife handlers.:) I know we didn't have Tote n' Chip cards in Cubs but they were mandatory with the troop.
 
Remington brand name manufactured by Bear makes (made?) a reproduction this year of the old 1920s Remington model RS3333 boy scout knife one of the original scout knives.

The bad news is they are not that cheap ~ $90 to $140 and they don't use carbon steel like the original older model but 440 stainless. I have one and I happen to like it very much.

Aside from using stainless and having one rivet to secure the jigged bone scales on each side (a Bear thing) instead of three on each side it is in all other respects an authentic replica.

Oh is does bear the Boy Scout logo and is authorized by the BSA
 
Another one is the Case Scout Jr this is another official BSA knife case currently makes a few official BSA knives but the Scout Jr is the only Case made (current modern day not the old ones) scout knife that I know of that uses the traditional scout pattern. This one is not carbon either but trusharp stainless and will set you back about ~$95.

It is smaller and slimmer than the Remington reproduction which is quite a chunky knife.

I would have to agree if you want a good buy use the usual auction site. There are lots of people there selling off their carbon steel Scout knives for super low prices. So low I went on a purchasing spree.

Some of them were beat up others almost mint. Beat up or not in practical use they all take quite a sharp edge and work almost if not as well as when they were new.
 
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I like these Cammilus made WWII ones:

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I just have to find one in better condition.

Peter
 
I had never really intended to collect scout knives; I bought a Case to use for a work knife, and ended up liking it well enough that I have snatched several more. Love that old red bone Case 6445, I wish Case still made a knife like it.
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Looks like one of them wanted to compete with a Sak Super tinker.:thumbup:Nice collection of scouts.
 
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God bless America these are some nice knives!!! I have a Wenger SI and a Camillus all steel GI issue scout, like the one already shown, but I really need to get one of those bone handled scouts. A Case or Camillus. That Kabar was awesome. Lordy lordy.
 
All of the newer Case Scouts were Camillus made. They are thinner and nowhere near as beefy built as the old Case 6445's were. Funny thing, the Camillus knives use carbon steel springs, even when the blades and implements are stainless; I get rust on the backsprings on mine all the time just from pocket sweat and handling.
 
If I've understood the books correctly, all of the Scouts that Case actually made are pattern number 6445R. The ones that are stamped 640045R were made by Camillus, going back a pretty good way. I believe that Camillus made quite a few patterns under contract for Case, especially judging by how many of the Case branded "work" knife patterns suddenly disappeared when Camillus went away.
 
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If I've understood the books correctly, all of the Scouts that Case actually made are pattern number 6445R. The ones that are stamped 640045R were made by Camillus, going back a pretty good way. I believe that Camillus made quite a few patterns under contract for Case, especially judging by how many of the Case branded "work" knife patterns suddenly disappeared when Camillus went away.
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I agree...I believe that Camillus made the later examples of the electrican, hawkbill, and the rigger's or marlin spike knife after Case's in house versions of these knives were discontinued.

I go through this info in my book in more detail, but in short:

Case made the 12031 electrician with walnut handles until about 1982...then discontinued...then they contracted Camillus to make the 62031 LHR with jigged delrin handles starting 1n 1986, with the pattern changed to stainless steel circa 1990.

Case made the 61011 hawkbill with jigged wood handles until about 1981...then discontinued...then they contracted Camillus to make the 61011 with jigged delrin handles starting 1n 1986, with the pattern changed to stainless steel circa 1990.

The 640045R, from the Case XX stamp onward, was outsourced. I have seen examples made (IMO) by Ulster and also by Utica but I believe that starting in the mid 1960's and onward Camillus exclusively made the 640045R.

Case made the older style Rigger's knife the 6246 R SS in house until it was discontinued in 1978. Then in 1979 Case contracted Camillus to make the newer style 6246 L R SS with locking marlin spike. This pattern was discontinued in 1982 and then brought back briefly in the years between 2000 and 2004.

And yes the 61011SS, 62031LHRSS and the 640045RSS were all discontinued when Camillus went under.

Most collectors believe that Camillus also made some percentage of the 048 "slim trapper" patterns on contract for Case beginning in 1970 and through 1976 or 1977. The Camillus made versions have a slightly different appearance, different blade shape and blade grind.

There are other knives that Case has outsourced that would surprise a lot of people but I will save those for another day....

Steve
 
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It's another day now Steve, so tell us more!!:D
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Well, during the XX era there were the 620035 and 620035 1/2 jack patterns and some barlows made by Ulster...and barlows made by Utica.

The more interesting one is that when Case started offering modern stainless steel lockback knives in the 1970's, Alcas Cutlery made them all on contract for Case. This started with the Shark Tooth and included the 051 patterns, the Mako, Hammerhead, Texas Lockhorn, Sidewinder, and the small metal handled lockbacks, and the XX Changer. Note that in the late 80's or early 1990's, Case brought production of all of these knives (unless discontinued) in house.

And some sodbusters, including some or all of the Kentucky Bicentennial Junior Sodbusters, were made by Alcas.

Then there was the Parker era, when some case patterns were made in Parker's Alabama plant but with Case markings (these were standard Parker patterns that were new to the Case line). Most of these only lasted a year or two but some like the 405 and 225 pattern lockbacks lasted longer.

Bear in mind that the above is not official information from the Case factory but was pieced together from reliable sources over the years.

Steve
 
While I'm waiting for the ladies (wife and daughter) to get ready for Christmas dinner, I took the time to take a picture of this one:

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Here's a few more scouts.

First is a typical BSA folder from around the year 2000, it is stamped "Imperial Prov. RI. USA", though I think that it was made by Camillus. I have sharpened it and tied a lanyard but have not used it much.

Second are three Imperial Ireland from the Schrade factory in Listowel Ireland, originally with sheet metal bolsters, I have rehandled them with molded epoxy putty, note that one has a Mexican 5 centavo coin as a shield, the one that kept the bolsters has a stainless can opener, all other blades are carbon.

Third is a German fixed blade that my dad gave me sometime in the mid 1960's, it has no stampings but one side reads in a faded etch: "Filus Solingen Stainless" (Filus was the name of the store where it was bought). It came with a bone handle made in two parts pinned together which soon became loose, I took it apart and rehandled it with stacked pieces of 3mm plywood.


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I'll add a couple.

This is an old green bone handled Craftsman. I believe that it was made by Ulster.

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This is a great old carbon steel Ulster Craftsman 9549, with delrin scales. I still have the original box and the steel belt hanger.

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The carbon steel Ulsters are dirt cheap on the auction sites, and very good. A have a few of them.

Some of the old Imperials are beasts in comparison to most scout patterns. Very heavy duty knives.

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I also have stainless steel Camillus 99, from just before they closed down, and it's quite a nice quality knife. They are easily found on the auction sites, brand new.

I did purchase a Case BSA bone handled Junior Scout. It's much smaller than a traditional scout pattern, but very well designed. The attention to detail in the design is extraordinary. Somebody really knows the in's and out's of the scout pattern at Case. The fit and finish was not amazing, but plenty good enough, considering the excellent design.
 
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