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I don't think Sarenmu is stealing any customers from CRK. They don't market it as a Sebenza so I don't see the problem. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery right? There are lots of products, not just knives, that draw their design from a proven winner.
 
Yall might also want to take a look at the Bradley Alias, thats a closer copy then the 710 to a sebbie
 
brets-ftw said:
Yall might also want to take a look at the Bradley Alias, thats a closer copy then the 710 to a sebbie
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That is crazy talk. The Alias is an S30V Ti Framelock like the Sebenza and about a dozen other S30V Ti Framelocks. The handle shape and the blade grinds are completely different. The only other comparable feature is the blue thumbstud. The 710 may not be marketed as a Sebenza and it may not take any possible customers from CRK, but the plain truth is that SRM took the design of the Sebenza and copied it to make their own knives. Has this been done before? Yes. Will it be done again? Yes. Do these facts really matter when it comes to straight out stealing a design? Hell no! When someone works hard to create something that is perfect in their eyes and then someone else copies the same design without permission that is a huge slap to the face of the original creator. It may not be a legal issue, but it is definitely a common courtesy / respect / good business issue. I never bought those cheap copies of the Spyderco Delica with a thumbstud so I would never support a company like SRM that steals designs for their own benefit. If they have permission to use the designs then that is a different story, but I highly doubt that Chris Reeve told them to go ahead and use the pattern for his design. I also have a hard time believing that Benchmade would let them reproduce the Axis Lock when it is a lock that BM solely owns the rights and patents to therefore BMs are the only knives to use the Axis Lock. There may be locks that are similar to the Axis, but not exactly the same and SRM copied it and uses it.

I know that some folks really like their SRM's and that they feel that SRM puts out a quality product at a great price, but let's not kid ourselves and say that SRM is the most standup company out there and that they would never do something like copying a knife or lock design. If you want to support SRM then you do whatever you want to do with your own money, but don't expect everyone to dig your new cheaper copied design. And definitely don't expect that nobody will voice their opinions. Especially on a forum like this.
 
Well, like all threads that mention SRM were back on 'copying'...so here's a quandry for you. I have never wanted a sebenza. Never even considered it. UNTIL...I owned a SRM 710. Now, I'm seriously considering saving up to eventually get a small sebenza.

If anything, copying seems to make good advertising.

Anyway, back on topic. Well, I don't have much in the way of equipment so I guess I'll just go for making the scale. I wonder if there is like a glow in the dark G-10. That handle really looks like it should glow.
 
MegaHelmet said:
Well, like all threads that mention SRM were back on 'copying'...so here's a quandry for you. I have never wanted a sebenza. Never even considered it. UNTIL...I owned a SRM 710. Now, I'm seriously considering saving up to eventually get a small sebenza.

If anything, copying seems to make good advertising.

Anyway, back on topic. Well, I don't have much in the way of equipment so I guess I'll just go for making the scale. I wonder if there is like a glow in the dark G-10. That handle really looks like it should glow.
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i agree!
Having the sebenza made me want to save for the small 21.
i now own both:)
The glow in the glow in the dark would also be a nice choice as well as an orange one, with blue pilar constructions and thumbstuds:D
 
If Chris Reeve lost a single sale to these knives I would be surprised. People who buy Sebenzas know what they're getting, and the idea that these knockoffs are in any way taking business from Reeve is ludicrous. The Sebenza's reputation was earned because of how it's built, not because of how it looks. If some Chinese company copied a Busse design down to the smallest detail would anyone care? No, because it's not a Busse. Now, if they started copying their logo it would be a different story. That's when we get into counterfeiting, and it's not the same.

I'm not going to sit here and say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery though, because it's not-- it's just annoying. But in this case-- considering we're talking about something where materials and build quality makes every bit of difference-- there is a negligible amount of actual damage.
 
I can see it now, a guy sitting in front of his computer saying sebenza or srm?, sebenza? or srm?, oh what the heck, the srm is hundreds cheaper. I think I'll get the srm. Yeah that's it. I don't really need the sebenza. I'll get the srm. Uh-uh! Yep. Yep.
 
I will make this my last post on the issue because I realize that we are not dealing with malice, yet ignorance... and I know that all this person really wanted to do is show the people here what a good deal the knife was and showcase the mod, and did a good job at personalizing/modifying it. I am not really trying to bust his grapes on a personal level, yet show my concern for the industry as a designer and maker.
From a devaluation standpoint to original from the designer/maker, even without intent from the consumer, it causes brand confusion in the marketplace and is not fair to the maker or the buyer. Thank you all for listening to my rant.
 
MegaHelmet said:
Anyway, back on topic. Well, I don't have much in the way of equipment so I guess I'll just go for making the scale. I wonder if there is like a glow in the dark G-10. That handle really looks like it should glow.
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half-lifex

http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/index.php?cPath=40_218_362

There are also a few custom phenolic makers around the forums that make their own different style of glow in the dark handle scales.
 
Shavin' Sharp said:
I will make this my last post on the issue because I realize that we are not dealing with malice, yet ignorance... and I know that all this person really wanted to do is show the people here what a good deal the knife was and showcase the mod, and did a good job at personalizing/modifying it. I am not really trying to bust his grapes on a personal level, yet show my concern for the industry as a designer and maker.
From a devaluation standpoint to original from the designer/maker, even without intent from the consumer, it causes brand confusion in the marketplace and is not fair to the maker or the buyer. Thank you all for listening to my rant.
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Word brother. My friend calls all cars "Ford" because even though cars differ radically in price, manufacturing, and market, they have the same general shape and are used the same way, so he gets confused that they aren't all by the Model T.
 
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