Sebenza 21 vs Sebenza 25

Ridiculous assertion.

I don't think it is a ridiculous assertion (lol)... I mean, the guy had a point.. plus where did the price differ in the production of the 25 to the 21?.. if that can be shown ... then we wouldn't have people making such assertions now would we ;)..

And to stick to the nature of the thread, I much prefer the 21 in every single aspect...

I have owned 3 small 21's and a large, then I recently got the 25... within the same week the 25 was back up on the forums for sale.... Everything from the ergos, to the gimping was different... it felt more like a strider or hinderer than a true CR knife... It just seems too different (at least to me, so please no1 jump on my back about this! =p)

Esp. when you line up a BEAUTIFUL Mnandi... a nice small 21 and then a nice large 21... the 25 sticks out like a sore thumb..

O well just my 2 cents... ;) but that's what makes knives so interesting, the appeal they have to different individuals...

and yes at the end of the day the 25 is a great knife by all means...and would outperform many other knives easily, without question... but I just simply dont like it nearly as much as the 21..
 
I think they are all Friggin' awesome knives. Debating details and then saying one is better because of them when each is unique in design is like asking which one of your children you'd keep if you had to choose.

Just because they have different traits does not make them good or bad. It makes them more ideally-suited to an individual based on perceived need, that certain details to one person will offer advantages over other details. That's my take on the matter.

A 21 seems slimmer and lighter in design than the 25. But the 21 bushing system seems on paper and in use to make it pretty much identical to the larger pivot on the 25 so details equal out there. Is either one weak? NO!

So now the 25 has no bushing so it's inferior? No way. My 25 ROCKS without a bushing. And it doesn't need no "steenking" Locktite. Once you tighten up the pivot with both wrenches to the sweet spot, the whole thing rotates in the handle.

You don't have to crank it down until it never moves and it will not loosen up, at least mine never has after hundreds of opening and closing cycles playing with it. And if it needed a little Locktite? I'd put a little Locktite on it and it would be sorted!

It comes with it just in case. It is not mandatory to be used. Doesn't make it a worse knife if it were to be used. That is a very trivial item. A Raptor and all other aircraft use safety wire. Does that make a Raptor a POS? Maybe you should ask one of the 12 other aircraft it took out single handedly if it is an inferior airplane. It is not in spite of being safety-wired in places also.

CRK makes a variety of knives for a variety of people to do one thing. Be used as a tool to cut things that need to be cut at one point in time or another. How you get there to do that depends on your own liking. Not a good or bad choice, just a choice!

Your choice does not make mine a bad one, nor mine, yours. I'm glad we have so many choices, but with one common denominator. Awesome and consistent quality in each and every one, be it 21, 25, Umnumzaan, Insingo, Tanto, whatever details. They are all very high quality tools, crafted with exacting detail. Each and every one. Consistently.

Each one would (should) last each one of us a lifetime and if it wears out, a new blade can be inserted and it will continue on doing its job.

Steve at GFeller leather, who makes CRK leather items, was on his third blade in his 21 when they shot that two-part video in 2006. I'll bet he's on his fourth blade by now, 8 years later. And I'll also bet that whether or not it was a 21, 25 or Umnumzaan would not matter. Any one of them would still be plugging away daily.

I own one of each, but no Tantos. Doesn't make me think a Tanto is a POS just because I don't own one. I just like the appearance of the other blade styles. I'll bet in a push cut situation with that tip it would be awesome, too.
 
What would be the point if crk made every knife essentially the same? With no variety? I own a 21 and a 25 and like the differences in them. The 21 is more a casual user and the 25 is hard use for sure. The bushing system on the 21 is nice but necessary for that style pivot, but not for the 25. Mine fires open and is silky smooth. One benefit of the newer pivot is the adjustment. Opening and closing a 21 will eventually develop blade play before a 25. (Would take many years). But wither the new pivot, just give it a slight turn and it's nice a tight again. It's nice because the adjustment allows you to always keep the pivot snug as the blade wears.

And I agree with FW, that was a ridiculous assertion. The 25 is a heavier built knife that has more material and more machine time so it should cost more not less than a 21. Thicker blade takes a little longer to grind, finger grooves in handle take longer to machine. So yes it's ridiculous to say it should cost less because there is no bushing.
 
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