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brownshoe

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The recent thread on what people don't like about the sebenza was great. I've never liked the knife and found the rabidness of sebenza owners annoying and ignorant...there is not really one perfect knife. This thread put the sebenza mistique to rest. It's a good knife, but there appear to be two major faults:

- Many, many people don't like the thumbstud for a variety of reasons.

- Three people indicated the knife opened in their pockets. This has also been reported in the past.

On this forum, the sebenza has been touted as the best, the only, the be all and end all. I think opening in your pocket negates this claim. This should never happen. It's dangerous.

That thread had a lot of customer feedback. Too bad CRK never rises out of the depths to answer messages on the main forum. It'd be great to see how or if the company has addressed the above two design flaws.
 
I think MOST tip up or loose carry LINER LOCKING folders have this problem. You CAN'T beat gravity! If you ask me... the senenza is fine... It's GRAVITY that needs to be overhauled! ...seriously.. I had a MT Socom open in my pocket. I never had it open when using the clip... because gravity was pulling it closed (tip down) Believe me.. I do some MOVIN' and SHAKIN'! I too have had the Sebenza open in my pocket, and was VERY LUCKY I diddn;t cut my buttcheek in half! I can't say it too much... Its the way you carry that makes it open. You have to WORK WITH gravity!
 
Yeah, gravity's a bummer. Why don't tip-up carry cold steels, benchmades and spydercos have the same problem. No matter what type of lock it is, gravity will always be there. The lock needs to be designed to hold it closed in the pocket and in the hand. The Emerson Wave will still stay closed in your pocket.

Usually a clip helps, because it keeps the knife away from crap in the pocket that can help open a knife when removed. However, the sebenza has a clip to keep it out of the flotsam.

Hands (and other things) are too important, a relatively small incision in the right nerve or tendon can cripple you for life. Any knife that opens in the pocket should be a closet queen for safety reasons.
 
I think this is an inherent problem with tip up liner locks. unless they have a massive ball detent a sudden a sudden jolt can pretty easily dislodge the knife.

and while I too get annoyed at the rabidness of sebenzaholics its best to just not say anything. they tend to freak out and attack when cornered :eek: :p :D
 
Pointy and Archie, the Sebenza isn't a liner lock. It's a frame lock in which the locking bar exerts much more pressure on the tang with the detent than does a liner lock. I don't understand why it just opens. It is harder to open than an axis lock knife, and I have yet to hear of an axis lock knife opening in the pocket. Just playing devil's advocate here of course.

Mike
 
I had one of my large Sebenzas open up in my pocket slightly and poke my hand when I went to retreive it. Now, I have removed the clip and installed the factory plug and carry the Sebenza in a leather pouch on my belt. I'll give up a little access speed for the security of knowing I will never get poked by it again. Plus, the Kenny Rowe sheath is a work of art all by itself.
 
It is my belief that those heretics who have never owned, touched, yeat alone extensively used a Sebenza should be estopped from opening there pieholes and talking smack.

Thats what it really boils down to. If you have a used a Sebbie, and found it lacking then by all means come forward and tell us in what way. Otherwise, STFU.
 
hey brownshoe, don't let those guys intimidate you. :p

But if you really think that an ad hoc bunch of posts on www.bladeforums.com is worth a hill of beans, then call up Chris and communicate the issue.

Chris is usually busy selling knives and making improvements in the shop, but when there is a real question that requires his input, Chris never hesitates to get on the phone and give you an honest answer about your question.

His wife Anne does a pretty good job of tracking the CRK forum, given the structure of the company.

In regard to your Sebenza, stjames can tell you very well that the way to solve the tip-up problem is to remove the clip.;)
 
Originally posted by Eric_Draven
It is my belief that those heretics who have never owned, touched, yeat alone extensively used a Sebenza should be estopped from opening there pieholes and talking smack.

Thats what it really boils down to. If you have a used a Sebbie, and found it lacking then by all means come forward and tell us in what way. Otherwise, STFU.
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This might be what brownshoe meant when he said
found the rabidness of sebenza owners annoying and ignorant...
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He brought up some valid points that have been discussed by other Sebenza owners, and is already getting reamed.

Mike
 
I am so sick and ****ing tired of all of the stupid bullshit that has been posted about the Sebenza lately. Here's the facts. The Sebenza is the highest quality production folder on the market. PERIOD. I have never seen a Sebenza that had the smallest amount of blade play, nor have I seen one with a sloppy pivot. These knives are the epitome of precision! Quite frankly, I'm very happy with my Seb and no one is going to tell me otherwise. If you do a search, there have been numerous posts about what people don't like about the Sebenza....90% of the posts there are from people that dont even own one....pure BULLSHIT. Why don't you find something constructive to post about. :rolleyes: :barf:
Matt

edited to add: Medic, I think that the reason that so many people take offense to this kind of crap is because of the fact that people are trying to nit-pick the Sebenza to death. One after another, stupid, pointless posts ripping on Reeve knives. It's worse than the griping on Emersons that was so rampant not so long ago.:barf:
 
Originally posted by Jazzman
edited to add: Medic, I think that the reason that so many people take offense to this kind of crap is because of the fact that people are trying to nit-pick the Sebenza to death. One after another, stupid, pointless posts ripping on Reeve knives. It's worse than the griping on Emersons that was so rampant not so long ago.:barf:
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I left out the first part of your post, but it is a clear example of what brownshoe was saying. You would almost think he called your momma a cheap whore the way you lit into him. Why is it that people can talk $hit about any knife out there except the Sebenza? I constantly hear people bragging about how perfect the Sebenza is, but the fact is, while it is a very high quality knife, it isn't right for everybody. You said, "Here's the facts, the Sebenza is the highest quality production folder on the market. PERIOD." With all due respect, that is your opinion, not a fact. Facts are based on set criteria being proven, opinions are based on emotion. Sure it is a great knife, but there are several people who own them, and have made suggestions to make them more user friendly. It seems there is some room for improvement. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that the Sebenza is a very high quality knife. I have one coming to me as we speak. I just don't see why people take such offense to somebody else going "against the grain" and questioning all the hype. That is ridiculous, and tends to make the Sebenzaists look like a bunch of children, who, instead of saying, "This is why I like the Sebenza, now you tell me why you don't like the Sebenza." they gang up and sling personal insults. I can guarantee that you aren't going to convince brownshoe that Sebenzas are top of the line with your post because it wasn't civil. You got mad that he disagrees with something you feel, and instead of being intellectual about it, you jump his $hit. So what if he doesn't like the sebenza. So what if his post seems like a waste of space that should have been reserved for good comments about the Sebenza that you want to hear. Some might say that your above rant served no useful purpose. That is why the forum exists, for people to give opinions, both good and bad, about different things knife related. I think brownshoes post met that criteria. You are just mad because it was something bad about your favorite knife.

Mike

Mike
 
I have 2 sebenza's and am working toward becoming a CRK dealer. I freaking love the things!!! I don't care what WORD you use to describe the lock. Liner/Frame locks use the SAME methods of keeping the blade open/closed... unless you have one of those dorky Kershaws with the crappy plastic thing holding the blade closed.

ball detents are not the greatest method of keeping a blade closed. THEY ARE a simple mechanism. THEY ARE an easy to USE mechanism.

For what this mechanism can do, CHRIS REEVE IS TOPS!!!

(Except for the tip up thing, which I believe is that way for the COMFORT of USING the knife.)
 
For the record, I'm not so much pissed that another person doesn't like my "favorite knife":rolleyes: it's moreso that it's another POINTLESS rant. It's like people are trying to find stupid faults just so that they can BITCH about a knife that they don't even have. You need to stop and think about how ridiculis this crap is. For the record, I don't just stand up for Sebenzas and nor is the Sebenza my favorite knife...but I am sick of the BS.
Matt
 
wow...

why do sebenza owners have to tell other people how good their knife is?

is it 'cos you need to justify paying that much money for a production folder?


touchy touchy...

no other knife brings up this much controversy
 
What I've done is I looked at a series of posts by self-proclaimed sebenza owners as to what was their problems with the knife. This is called research. I then summarized a 3 page post in three paragraphs. This is called a public service. I then asked what CRK has done to address these design flaws. This is called helping the industry improve. That's why I posted here and not in the CRK forum. I probably should have posted in the review and testing forum. Now SOG, Spyderco and Buck, have all addressed design flaws on these forums. Lets give CRK the opportunity.

I agree there's too much BS on this forum by the sebenza lovers. That's why I posted a summary, because the true problems with this product are often overwhelmed by the noise of the proponents. That was the genious of the other post..."get them to talk about problems." I gain a lot of info from these forums, but sometimes it's hard to find the reality in the puppy love.

St. James et.al., I specifically didn't talk about "my" sebenza, because I summarized the many complaints of the self-proclaimed sebenza owners. It ain't one man's opinion anymore. Whether or not I own a sebenza is a moot point. The previous post outlined legitimate complaints, which are summarized here, that's why it'd be nice to hear from CRK. They ignored the previous post.
 
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