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Sebenza Faults
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This thread really sucks.
The way I see it all the non Sebenza people just try to drag the Sebenza fans into arguments so they can be labeled as "Rabid".
When was the last time a Sebenza fan started a thread bashing Benchmade having never owned a Benchmade?
When was the last time a Sebenza fan started a thread just to get negative comments from non-Sebenza fans?
I think Sebenza fans have been unfairly labeled as rabid because we are always forced to defend our choice in knife. No one makes me defend the fact that I like Benchmade or any other brand....why is that?
The point I'm getting at is that with any product you can find design features you don't like, but the fact of the matter is there is not a better knife made from a quality control and consistency for a great product aspect.
You can pick up 100 new Sebenza's and every ones lock will fall in the same place, none of them will have blade play and all edges will be radius identical, you will have 100 identical knives.
Ask me how I know? I've owned at least 30 Sebenza's and every one of them was as good as the next.
As a fan of many other brands there is not another company I can name that even comes close to that statement.
As far as owning one, other than parroting what others have said how can anyone make negative statements about any knife?
Go over to the Spyderco forum and tell them that the Spyderco Police is a POS and worth only about 1/2 what dealers are getting, and that you could take any Cold Steel Twistmaster and do the same thing with it because it's every bit as good a knife.... You would get welcomed with open arms
Point 44, I feel quite the opposite, people bash Sebenza's because they don't want to spend the money. Otherwise they would constantly be wanting one, so make it out to be a bad value, that's the easy way.
The way I see it all the non Sebenza people just try to drag the Sebenza fans into arguments so they can be labeled as "Rabid".
When was the last time a Sebenza fan started a thread bashing Benchmade having never owned a Benchmade?
When was the last time a Sebenza fan started a thread just to get negative comments from non-Sebenza fans?
I think Sebenza fans have been unfairly labeled as rabid because we are always forced to defend our choice in knife. No one makes me defend the fact that I like Benchmade or any other brand....why is that?
The point I'm getting at is that with any product you can find design features you don't like, but the fact of the matter is there is not a better knife made from a quality control and consistency for a great product aspect.
You can pick up 100 new Sebenza's and every ones lock will fall in the same place, none of them will have blade play and all edges will be radius identical, you will have 100 identical knives.
Ask me how I know? I've owned at least 30 Sebenza's and every one of them was as good as the next.
As a fan of many other brands there is not another company I can name that even comes close to that statement.
As far as owning one, other than parroting what others have said how can anyone make negative statements about any knife?
Go over to the Spyderco forum and tell them that the Spyderco Police is a POS and worth only about 1/2 what dealers are getting, and that you could take any Cold Steel Twistmaster and do the same thing with it because it's every bit as good a knife.... You would get welcomed with open arms
Point 44, I feel quite the opposite, people bash Sebenza's because they don't want to spend the money. Otherwise they would constantly be wanting one, so make it out to be a bad value, that's the easy way.
GigOne
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Extremely well said cpirtle ! I've been, for the last hour or so, word-smithing a response to this thread.
To add to what cpirtle has stated. . .
Just because a few have stated that they don't particularly care for the existing thumbstud. . .doesn't make it a design flaw !
Just because a few have stated that their Sebenza opened in their pockets. . .doesn't make it a design flaw ! Doesn't make the knife right but it doesn't make it a design flaw !
There are many many more folks who don't dislike the thumbstud nor have had their Sebenza open on them while in their pockets.
So what !
The bigger question. . .have those who have voiced their concerns here taken their complaint(s) to CRK ?
Keep in mind brownshoe. . .most knife brands and knife types have their followings. And as knife knuts. . .they are very vocal and very proud of their stuff ! Big deal ! It doesn't make them wrong.
Personally. . .the Sebenza is one of the best high-end production knives out there. The "be all and end all ?" Nahhhhh. There ain't a knife out there that meets that catagory ! Is it "the only ?" Nahhhh. That's why I possess several hundred knives and my EDC rotation borders on 25 - 30 knives. But hell. . .that's just me !
. . .never rises out of the depths..........
Don't ya kinda think that they have their hands full runnin' their business ? And I don't honestly think that chasing down threads, like this one, in General is required of them.
Jezz. . .can you imagine what any knife-makers knife would look like if every swingin' wanker out there shouted design flaw or better yet. . .(in a very whiney voice). . .I don't like it. . .make it like this !
But I could be wrong. . .
To add to what cpirtle has stated. . .
Just because a few have stated that they don't particularly care for the existing thumbstud. . .doesn't make it a design flaw !
Just because a few have stated that their Sebenza opened in their pockets. . .doesn't make it a design flaw ! Doesn't make the knife right but it doesn't make it a design flaw !
There are many many more folks who don't dislike the thumbstud nor have had their Sebenza open on them while in their pockets.
So what !
The bigger question. . .have those who have voiced their concerns here taken their complaint(s) to CRK ?
Keep in mind brownshoe. . .most knife brands and knife types have their followings. And as knife knuts. . .they are very vocal and very proud of their stuff ! Big deal ! It doesn't make them wrong.
Personally. . .the Sebenza is one of the best high-end production knives out there. The "be all and end all ?" Nahhhhh. There ain't a knife out there that meets that catagory ! Is it "the only ?" Nahhhh. That's why I possess several hundred knives and my EDC rotation borders on 25 - 30 knives. But hell. . .that's just me !
. . .never rises out of the depths..........
Don't ya kinda think that they have their hands full runnin' their business ? And I don't honestly think that chasing down threads, like this one, in General is required of them.
Jezz. . .can you imagine what any knife-makers knife would look like if every swingin' wanker out there shouted design flaw or better yet. . .(in a very whiney voice). . .I don't like it. . .make it like this !
But I could be wrong. . .
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I REALLY think BM sucks.... just thought I'd throw that in there! 
I think that you're questioning is fine... I mean... INVESTIGATE YOUR POSSIBLE $300 purchase!!! The fact is that there is NO ROOM for statements. If you don't own a Sebenza, you really don't know what youre talking about.
There is an INCREDIBLE difference between the quality of it and ANY OTHER PRODUCTION FOLDING KNIFE. There really is. I am a Design Nazi (not to use the word lightly)... that is.. REALLY hard to please.
Liner/Frame locks arent the best... And you have the right to choose NOT to buy one. They are HANDY little MO'FO's though! Like I said before... the Sebenza represents the best of what it is!
I think that you're questioning is fine... I mean... INVESTIGATE YOUR POSSIBLE $300 purchase!!! The fact is that there is NO ROOM for statements. If you don't own a Sebenza, you really don't know what youre talking about.
There is an INCREDIBLE difference between the quality of it and ANY OTHER PRODUCTION FOLDING KNIFE. There really is. I am a Design Nazi (not to use the word lightly)... that is.. REALLY hard to please.
Liner/Frame locks arent the best... And you have the right to choose NOT to buy one. They are HANDY little MO'FO's though! Like I said before... the Sebenza represents the best of what it is!
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And I really dig the thumb stud!
With the usual monthly Sebenza-bashing thread--generally frequented by people who have never owned one. If someone handles one or more of these knives and does not understand the quality built into it, there is nothing I or anyone else here could say to change their minds.
Bottom line: Chris Reeve can barely keep up with the demand for the Sebenza. He must be doing something right.
Bottom line: Chris Reeve can barely keep up with the demand for the Sebenza. He must be doing something right.
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Opinions are like *******s, everybody is one..oops
I mean has one. I just got my first sebenza. I LOVE it. Does that mean my, benchmade,gerber,buck,browning,busse,swamprat,cold steel knives are lesser? No. They are all great knives. IMO the sebenza is like a top of the line car. Really nice, well thought out, well built, but in the case of the car it still goes down the same road as the yugo, and they both get you where you want to go. A knife cuts things. Period. The rest is style. If the sebenza is not your style, then that is ok. Don't knock it though. Most people I know will never appreciate my sebbie like I do. They didn't on any of my benchmades. But I don't buy for others, I buy for me. You should too. I am not an elitist or anything like that. I do like nice things. I carry a surefire E2E and a fisher space pen. Why? I like them, and I could buy them so I did. Does that make Bic pens bad? No. Maglights bad? No. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's all about tolerance and personal taste. There is no point and nothing to gain by "bashing" any maker. Don't like something, be productive and make a difference by speaking with your wallet. You like it? Buy it. Hate it? Don't buy it. All this other stuff is simply stupid. That is my opinion.
I mean has one. I just got my first sebenza. I LOVE it. Does that mean my, benchmade,gerber,buck,browning,busse,swamprat,cold steel knives are lesser? No. They are all great knives. IMO the sebenza is like a top of the line car. Really nice, well thought out, well built, but in the case of the car it still goes down the same road as the yugo, and they both get you where you want to go. A knife cuts things. Period. The rest is style. If the sebenza is not your style, then that is ok. Don't knock it though. Most people I know will never appreciate my sebbie like I do. They didn't on any of my benchmades. But I don't buy for others, I buy for me. You should too. I am not an elitist or anything like that. I do like nice things. I carry a surefire E2E and a fisher space pen. Why? I like them, and I could buy them so I did. Does that make Bic pens bad? No. Maglights bad? No. Do you see where I'm going with this? It's all about tolerance and personal taste. There is no point and nothing to gain by "bashing" any maker. Don't like something, be productive and make a difference by speaking with your wallet. You like it? Buy it. Hate it? Don't buy it. All this other stuff is simply stupid. That is my opinion.
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value is up to the person...
if you think that you're getting what you paid for then that's value...
so if you're proud of your sebenza that's super duper...but some people aren't fans of sebenza...like myself i don't really care for the design...but i must admit it's a f*"£$ng good quality folder...
if i had the extra cash and i've got all the practical knives that i want then i'd buy a sebenza since that's the next step up anyway...
but it's not really on my wish list or anything...maybe it's smooth, maybe it's strong and maybe it's sharp...but what is it going to do? i don't think i'd use it in a survival situation...in the end it's gonna end up as a letter opener or a rope cutter...i can do that with other folders or better still a fixed blade...
i think it's just a luxury knife...
if you think that you're getting what you paid for then that's value...
so if you're proud of your sebenza that's super duper...but some people aren't fans of sebenza...like myself i don't really care for the design...but i must admit it's a f*"£$ng good quality folder...
if i had the extra cash and i've got all the practical knives that i want then i'd buy a sebenza since that's the next step up anyway...
but it's not really on my wish list or anything...maybe it's smooth, maybe it's strong and maybe it's sharp...but what is it going to do? i don't think i'd use it in a survival situation...in the end it's gonna end up as a letter opener or a rope cutter...i can do that with other folders or better still a fixed blade...
i think it's just a luxury knife...
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I've just got to get in here on this. I am an ex-Sebenza owner. I've had over a dozen of them and now I don't have a one. Is that due to a design flaw? Well actually it isn't as the Sebenza had no flaws in my eyes. Is it due to the high price? Well no not that either as the Sebenza sells for what it does ALL DAY LONG so someone is satisfied. No I just decided to go in another direction. As far as I'm concerned the Sebenza is as fine a production knife as there is. The complaints about high price just don't hold water as demand apparently outstrips production. Would I own another Sebenza? I most certaintly would!! It's one thing to jump on the bandwagon when everyone is bashing a product, but until you have actually owned it or even used it for a period, then your opinion of it must be taken with a grain of salt.
I said this on the last thread about Sebenza's. It is real simple, if you do not like the Sebenza do not buy the Sebenza. Then you will not have to worry or waste your time posting on the monthly "Lets bash the Sebenza" thread.
It does seem that monthly a Sebenza thread comes up and EVERYONE comes out with an opinion valid or not. But you know, opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one, some just stink worse than others!!
I said this on the last thread about Sebenza's. It is real simple, if you do not like the Sebenza do not buy the Sebenza. Then you will not have to worry or waste your time posting on the monthly "Lets bash the Sebenza" thread.
It does seem that monthly a Sebenza thread comes up and EVERYONE comes out with an opinion valid or not. But you know, opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one, some just stink worse than others!!
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i feel kinda weird about the sebenza...'cos i cannot and will not believe that there is only ONE knife that is of such high quality...
is there no other folder that can beat the sebenza? is it the world's best folder?
i'm new to knife collecting but this is impossible to believe...
Maybe it's something like the Maclaren F1...although it is no longer in production there hasn't been a car produced that has beaten it. Maybe with the coming of the Bugatti monster of a car the time will come for Maclaren to step down...
For now the Sebenza sits on the throne as King of Folders...but maybe...just maybe...a folder will be made...of such sheer beauty...strength and smoothness that it will topple the Sebenza...
Let's just hope it's not from CRK...
is there no other folder that can beat the sebenza? is it the world's best folder?
i'm new to knife collecting but this is impossible to believe...
Maybe it's something like the Maclaren F1...although it is no longer in production there hasn't been a car produced that has beaten it. Maybe with the coming of the Bugatti monster of a car the time will come for Maclaren to step down...
For now the Sebenza sits on the throne as King of Folders...but maybe...just maybe...a folder will be made...of such sheer beauty...strength and smoothness that it will topple the Sebenza...
Let's just hope it's not from CRK...
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Originally posted by Jazzman
For the record, I'm not so much pissed that another person doesn't like my "favorite knife"
Matt
But, you know, for every "pointless rant" about someone not liking the sebenza, there are another 50 "pointless rants" attacking the original "pointless ranter", saying how perfect the Sebenza is. So, is it really about being sick of "pointless rants" or is it just people getting pissed because somebody doesn't "see the light"? If you don't like the "pointless rants" about how bad a Sebenza is, don't respond with another "pointless rant" about how good it is. Just a thought. I love knives that others hate, but I don't get all bent out of shape when somebody says some $hit about them. I respect their opinions, knowing that those particular knives make me happy. So what if they don't make them happy. I love my Benchmades, and feel for the money spent, I got better value than if I had bought a new Sebenza. I got three beautiful, functional knives with excellent fit and finish for the price of 1 new Plain-Jane Sebenza. Their quality is excellent for their price, and I don't have to make excuses that their "perfect fit and finish" is the reason for them being difficult to open (something I hear rather frequently with Sebenzas BTW). Almost sounds like people trying to justify their purchase. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Who cares? Anyway, archieblue says he hates BenchMade. Am I going to jump his $hit because he disagrees with my opinion? Hell no, that's the beauty of this place. People are allowed to have and express their opinions...that is of course, unless their opinion is one of dislike towards Sebenzas.
Peace
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Well, there are always going to be people who don't like a design.
Personally, I love my Sebenza! It has never opened on me unless I wanted it to. The detent is very strong! The thumbstud is a bit rough on the fingers sometimes, but its nothing compared to my Buck/Strider!
Plus, it is probably the prettiest thumbstud on any production folder!
Personally, I love my Sebenza! It has never opened on me unless I wanted it to. The detent is very strong! The thumbstud is a bit rough on the fingers sometimes, but its nothing compared to my Buck/Strider!
Plus, it is probably the prettiest thumbstud on any production folder!
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Doesnt really seem like marketing to me, seems more like a well deserved following perpetuated by word of mouth and glowing recommendations based on experience. Chris Reeve's success is not hype driven, yes, there is hype, but it comes from people who own and love the product, who are impressed by the undeniable quality, and its this that makes them so popular, not artifical, unsubstantiated hype.
Seems to me that the reason Sebenza lovers are so passionate and vocal about this knife, is simply because they so firmly believe it to be so exceptional in function and quality, that when they see someone bashing it, it truly boggles their minds, its like if someone came to you and said that the world is flat, and really meant it, you'd be speechless for a moment, and then very vocal in showing them how wrong they are, and the more they argue, the more infuriated you would get seeing what to you is utter stupidity and an unwillingness to accept reality. Because you KNOW the world isnt flat, and to hear someone suggest it is, is too offensive to resist arguing with.
Seems to me that the reason Sebenza lovers are so passionate and vocal about this knife, is simply because they so firmly believe it to be so exceptional in function and quality, that when they see someone bashing it, it truly boggles their minds, its like if someone came to you and said that the world is flat, and really meant it, you'd be speechless for a moment, and then very vocal in showing them how wrong they are, and the more they argue, the more infuriated you would get seeing what to you is utter stupidity and an unwillingness to accept reality. Because you KNOW the world isnt flat, and to hear someone suggest it is, is too offensive to resist arguing with.
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That is the exact reason I started the Sebenza passaround! That way, some people who otherwise wouldn't get to see how great the Sebenza really is!
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Do you own a Harley Davidson?
That sounds like a perfect description of a HOG Chapter member!I'm just teasing you. I am surprised at how rabid Sebenza owners are. Just simply tell other people that you like the knife and are very happy with it. It seems REKAT bashing has been replaced by Sebenza bashing. What's up with that?
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I don't think the sebenza is perfect, but I will admit being bothered by those that say "It's to expensive for a production knife."
IMO the first problem is that differentiating between a production, custom, handmade or etc. is a meaningless and futile exrcise.
There's only two things that matter: quality and if you like it or not.
IMO the first problem is that differentiating between a production, custom, handmade or etc. is a meaningless and futile exrcise.
There's only two things that matter: quality and if you like it or not.