Sebenza - I just couldn't do it...

I cant really afford them either, but I have had lots of them and still do. I dont buy alot of other stuff, so I just save up my $$ and when I see something I want, I get it. Sometimes it means selling other things, but in the end I am happy. Now a days, I can buy a sebenza for what people are paying for a brick of 22lr ammo. So who is really the crazy ones.....???

I look at it this way. Life is short, I could die tomorrow, SO, I buy what I want today within reason.
 
nyefmaker said:
I cant really afford them either, but I have had lots of them and still do. I dont buy alot of other stuff, so I just save up my $$ and when I see something I want, I get it. Sometimes it means selling other things, but in the end I am happy. Now a days, I can buy a sebenza for what people are paying for a brick of 22lr ammo. So who is really the crazy ones.....???
Click to expand...

Not that I'd spend that much for a brick of .22LR, but...frankly, I'd get more enjoyment out of $400 worth of .22LR than I would out of one Sebenza. And if I actually USED .22 for varmint hunting or whatever(or self defense, if for some reason your carry piece is a NAA mini revolver or something), rather than just plinking at the range, well...it'd be an even easier choice. To each their own though.
 
one thing to consider is how many knives wont you buy if you get the sebby. your range is to 150 two of which would be a sebbies, once you buy it you will really consider buying any other knife.
 
Ankerson said:
Another way to look at it is spending that money on one $400 knife or two $200 knives when you know those knives will still be around for a very long time, likely your lifetime and beyond....

A girl, well.........

Even if she does stick around for a little while you would be spending a lot more than $400 on her/them...

With a $400 purchase you make that once and it will last you for the rest of your life basically.

With a girl, it's an endless pit that you throw money into..... Unless you find a good one who makes more money than you do and and buys you your knives as gifts..... That's a very rare find because most just walk around with their hand out waiting for the cash to fill it.

And you can't sell her later on and get your money back either. ;)
Click to expand...

:D As they get older, the trade-in value becomes dramatically less too....

KrisOK said:
I 'Get It' with the value of the Sebenza. I don't own one, because I've set my maximum price ceiling at $200 per knife (Used to be $100 before the addiction became serious :rolleyes: ). But I've carried a friend's Sebbie for a week and agree that it's an outstanding knife that really sets a high standard for fit, finish and precision. The knife holds it's value extremely well, and someone can always get most of their investment back when they sell. I'd probably own one if I didn't have the self imposed price limit.

The knife pricing that I 'Don't Get' are the dealer prices on the Rick Hinderers. The XM series are VERY comparable to CRK in terms of fit and finish. Rick sells the XM-18's at shows for close to the same price as a Sebenza. But buying from a distributor adds HUNDREDS of dollars to the price. Personally I think this is just wrong, and probably wouldn't buy one at any price. If the man who manufactures the knives values them in the $400 range, than that's what they should sell for. Almost doubling the price just because you have a monopoly on sales is just crazy. It obviously WORKS, but I certainly wouldn't EVER jump on that band wagon.
Click to expand...

One thing many of us seem to forget is, this is a business for the makers, and retailers. The objective of any business is too make money.
While I may not agree with the practice, it doesn't mater if it is knives, or widgets, supply and demand dictates price.
There will always be people who don't care what an item costs. They want it, and will pay accordingly for it. Sometimes it isn't even a matter that they really want it, they want it so someone else won't get it...
 
Bought a Seb25 off the exchange here. I can honestly say that I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't gotten a good chunk back on my tax refund. $400+ is a lot of money to me. Not going to go into why CRK charges what they do. The facts have been presented, you either accept them or you don't. There are less expensive knives that will cut just as well as a "high end production" such as this, but cutting performance is not the only thing people with this hobby are looking for. Having said that, people have their own preferences. I like Emersons, older Benchmades and a few of the ZTs. The sebenza isn't something I would normally go for, all things considered.

But I HAD to see what everyone was talking about. Ergos, F&F, presentation: fantastic. Came reasonably sharp in the box, but I am hesitant about putting my own edge on it as of yet. Reprofiling the edge tends to hurt resale, which is something that is entirely possible should the need for extra money arise. Its impressive and I would be sad to see it go.
 
Liquidm1980 said:
one thing to consider is how many knives wont you buy if you get the sebby. your range is to 150 two of which would be a sebbies, once you buy it you will really consider buying any other knife.
Click to expand...

I've handled a Sebby. After handling it, I was absolutely certain, I'd consider buying at least a hundred other knives before I'd consider buying one of those.
 
DShiflet said:
But it WILL be close enough that without a microscope, you'd never know the difference without actually being told about it.
Click to expand...

Nope...

I really do think there is a bunch of douchyness with allot of 'benza owners and an elitist attitude. I would and do clown around with CRK owners because when they act elite it's silly to me. But I can tell you I am a lefty and was in a shop that had a lefty small 'benza, I ask to see then knife and with low expectations was amazed by the knife. I could immediately see and feel a difference, I didn't by the knife, it was all I could think about until I went back the next day and did buy it... If someone can't see and feel a difference between a 'benza and almost every other knife it's because of their experience level with knives... To my grandma, the Honda and Mercedes look the same...
 
Smokinape said:
I really do think there is a bunch of douchyness with allot of 'benza owners and an elitist attitude.
Click to expand...

Where? I've met many Sebenza owners at Blade, and have know many form here for a long time, and I don't see it. Quite the opposite IMO.
 
Ken44 said:
Where? I've met many Sebenza owners at Blade, and have know many form here for a long time, and I don't see it. Quite the opposite IMO.
Click to expand...

I won't call anyone out directly, and you are right there are plenty of great people who own CRK too....
 
Smokinape said:
Nope...

I really do think there is a bunch of douchyness with allot of 'benza owners and an elitist attitude. I would and do clown around with CRK owners because when they act elite it's silly to me. But I can tell you I am a lefty and was in a shop that had a lefty small 'benza, I ask to see then knife and with low expectations was amazed by the knife. I could immediately see and feel a difference, I didn't by the knife, it was all I could think about until I went back the next day and did buy it... If someone can't see and feel a difference between a 'benza and almost every other knife it's because of their experience level with knives... To my grandma, the Honda and Mercedes look the same...
Click to expand...

The difference between it and a cheap knife is noticeable. The difference between it and a $100 Spyderco, ZT, etc? Sorry, argue it all you want, I've seen and held both, the difference may as well not be there, cause there's sure as hell no noticeable difference. The difference is there I know, but it's sure as fuck not something I could see or feel.
 
DShiflet said:
The difference between it and a $100 Spyderco, ZT, etc? Sorry, argue it all you want, I've seen and held both, the difference may as well not be there, cause there's sure as hell no noticeable difference. The difference is there I know, but it's sure as **** not something I could see or feel.
Click to expand...

I have plenty of $100 Spyderco's, and others $100 knives, and I can easily see and feel the difference myself.
 
Last edited:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a quality knife from hundreds of manufacturers, but there is a difference between a Sebenza and many of those knives. Just because someone may not blatantly notice them doesn't mean they are not there. It's the same with many products. Some people think a $299 Kel-Tec pistol is the same as a $599 pistol. It shoots don't it? It's shiny, feels solid & looks cool. I'm no elitist (just check my wallet), but I do like nice stuff and am willing to either save up or trade a fair amount for something really nice. Both of my Sebenzas have came by way of trade. 4 for 1 and 3 for 1. When I am able, I always choose quality over quantity. Not a damn thing wrong with any of the knives I've traded but owning an extremely fine knife has its merit for some.

These are 2 things I traded up for.

edcs1.jpg
 
DShiflet said:
The difference between it and a cheap knife is noticeable. The difference between it and a $100 Spyderco, ZT, etc? Sorry, argue it all you want, I've seen and held both, the difference may as well not be there, cause there's sure as hell no noticeable difference. The difference is there I know, but it's sure as fuck not something I could see or feel.
Click to expand...

It was something I could...
 
Here's my view of the world on this. A Delica and an Umnumzaan cut things more or less the same. The Umnumzaan may have better edge retention (I'm not even sure if thats true), and the Delica is a better slicer. But in terms of everyday usage, they cut things about the same.

The Umnumzaan has a quality build and feel that is about 12 centuries out in front of the Delica.

If you put cutting performance above everything, you are more likely to spend $60 on a Delica and not $440 on an Umnumzaan. If the look, the feel, the lockup and so forth are high on your list, you might buy the Umnumzaan.

Neither of these views is "wrong", per se. Just different. Its all good. The only gripe I ever have on this issue is when someone says that an Umnumzaan cuts better than a Delica, or says a Delica has the quality materials and feel of an Umnumzaan.

I love my knives, and have maybe 12 Delicas and 3 CRKs. I tend to come down on the utility side of the equation, so, to me the Delica is where the action is. But they both have their place on the knife continuum, and thank goodness we can pick what we like.
 
I'm looking at a few knives right now and I'd say the grind alone sets the Seb in another class. Add the lockup, perfect centering, rounded spine, pocket clip, ultra clean lines, resale value & desirability and I'd say it is worth every penny.

..and to reply to Powernoodle's post, I have a bunch of Spydercos and love them all. They function perfectly, cut all day long and are great knives. Like mentioned, that doesn't mean there aren't differences. My ratio is 25-1 on CRKs to others because there are a lot of great knives that cost much less.
There is something for everyone. There are watch forums that call Rolex watches pieces of garbage, car forums that scoff at Mercedes..
 
Last edited:
russianpolander said:
The price is fine with me and I love mine. As far as complaining over price, I think that should be left for other knives, such as a Hinderer. Try justifying their prices. I like their look and feel but will not pay extra to Rick just because I am not currently active duty. That is malarkey and most people know it. In my opinion, you either like a knife or not, and that includes the price. If I thought a Sebenza was overpriced, I would not have bought one. And if Rick decides to treat all consumers as equal someday and price all his knives at the "discount level" where they belong I will buy one of those.

That is all.
Click to expand...

Pay extra to Rick? No. No one pays anything extra to Rick at all. If you're not active duty, they don't sell directly to you. It's as simple as that. Whatever inflated prices you pay are to the people who have paid regular price, the only price that Rick himself charges.

He does not charge higher prices to anyone. If you're going to rant about something that has nothing to do with the OP, then it'd be good if you were at least remotely informed about it before you spat off a bunch of nonsense.
 
DShiflet said:
The difference between it and a cheap knife is noticeable. The difference between it and a $100 Spyderco, ZT, etc? Sorry, argue it all you want, I've seen and held both, the difference may as well not be there, cause there's sure as hell no noticeable difference. The difference is there I know, but it's sure as .... not something I could see or feel.
Click to expand...

You have been arguing this thread for quite some time, if you go back and read some of your previous posts, you pretty much say the same exact thing in every one.
Since no one here actually cares whether or not you ever buy a Sebenza or any other knife, who exactly are you trying to talk out of buying one?

Edit: this is a family friendly area of the forum, no need to start throwing curse words around.
 
Last edited:
DShiflet said:
The difference between it and a cheap knife is noticeable. The difference between it and a $100 Spyderco, ZT, etc? Sorry, argue it all you want, I've seen and held both, the difference may as well not be there, cause there's sure as hell no noticeable difference. The difference is there I know, but it's sure as fuck not something I could see or feel.
Click to expand...

There's the problem just because you've held it and seen it don't qualify you to comment with any authority, have you used one for more than 10 minutes, a few days or even a week? I'd bet all the loyal fans here bad their opinions on more than a week's worth of use.

I've owned mine for a little over a month, I carry and use it every day, I've mentioned before that it took me twenty years before I peeled the trigger but I knew when I got it what I was gettin' into and based on that and the past months use, I doubt I'll be gettin' good of it anytime soon.

No disrespect intended but carry one for a month and if ya still don't it's worth it, I'll accept your opinion for what it's worth, just your opinion and your entitled to that but if your on a crusade against CRK knives and the purple who buy 'em I think your barkin' up the wrong tree and that's just my opinion.

I guess in the end it's a matter of whose opinion everyone values more.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top